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« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2009, 04:08:20 PM »

Thanks everyone for the encouragement and suggestions.

My wife surprised me last night when I got home from work. She had reached out to an old friend up in CT who is Greek Orthodox. I'm pretty sure her husband works for the Arch-Diocese of NY. She told her what is going on and we are going to exchange emails. She pointed us to this http://www.acrod.org/ . There is an online class Orthodoxy 101 that started last night. I missed the first class but signed up for it.

My wife is very supportive. She's just not feeling like we are supposed to leave where we are yet. We are trying to plan a visit somewhere soon.

I would be careful about the Orthodoxy 101 class from that particular jurisdiction.

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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2009, 04:33:44 PM »

I would be careful about the Orthodoxy 101 class from that particular jurisdiction.

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Why is that exactly?



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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2009, 04:40:15 PM »

While I certainly don't speak for admiralnick, but I would imagine because ACROD are often viewed by some as "too Catholic" or "not Orthodox enough" thanks, in large part, to their liturgical peculiarities (leftovers from their Greek Catholic past).
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2009, 05:05:56 PM »

Thanks everyone for the encouragement and suggestions.

My wife surprised me last night when I got home from work. She had reached out to an old friend up in CT who is Greek Orthodox. I'm pretty sure her husband works for the Arch-Diocese of NY. She told her what is going on and we are going to exchange emails. She pointed us to this http://www.acrod.org/ . There is an online class Orthodoxy 101 that started last night. I missed the first class but signed up for it.

My wife is very supportive. She's just not feeling like we are supposed to leave where we are yet. We are trying to plan a visit somewhere soon.

I don't know if you realize but yesterdays class is available to listen to when you sign in to the online class. I was busy last night and couldn't watch it live so I plan on listening to it later tonight.
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« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2009, 05:10:35 PM »

While I certainly don't speak for admiralnick, but I would imagine because ACROD are often viewed by some as "too Catholic" or "not Orthodox enough" thanks, in large part, to their liturgical peculiarities (leftovers from their Greek Catholic past).

Interesting. I'll have to ask my wife's friends husband. He's involved in someway.

They sure have a great website!
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« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2009, 05:16:42 PM »

Yes, they certainly do!  They joined the 21st century in website design just earlier this year and made a fantastic leap forward. 

I have a soft spot for ACROD because of the music they use.  If there was a parish nearby, I'd be there in a heartbeat Smiley

Don't let the naysayers fool you, either.  They're as Orthodox as the rest of us...they just do things a bit differently.
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« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2009, 06:46:22 PM »

Yes, they certainly do!  They joined the 21st century in website design just earlier this year and made a fantastic leap forward. 

I have a soft spot for ACROD because of the music they use.  If there was a parish nearby, I'd be there in a heartbeat Smiley

Don't let the naysayers fool you, either.  They're as Orthodox as the rest of us...they just do things a bit differently.

What do you mean they do things differently?

Edit: I don't wish to derail the thread so someone can reply to me via PM.
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« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2009, 06:59:53 PM »

Yes, they certainly do!  They joined the 21st century in website design just earlier this year and made a fantastic leap forward. 

I have a soft spot for ACROD because of the music they use.  If there was a parish nearby, I'd be there in a heartbeat Smiley

Don't let the naysayers fool you, either.  They're as Orthodox as the rest of us...they just do things a bit differently.

What do you mean they do things differently?

Edit: I don't wish to derail the thread so someone can reply to me via PM.

I also wouldn't mind knowing the differences.
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2009, 11:13:32 AM »

I'm listening to these podcast's :http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/orthodoxyheterodoxy

VERY good stuff in there!!

If you went to the average nondenominational church and asked your members about this information you would get blank stares. That's always bothered me.

I would say that I've always have seen theosis in the scripture. We are supposed to put off the old man and "put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness." We are supposed to be changed and transformed for the power of the Holy Spirit.

The church we have been attending for the last 5 years has seen some explosive growth over the last 2 years. We baptized this year so far 197 people and that's not including Christian's who are coming and staying. It's the 'come to Jesus and be saved message' that concerns me. There's no teaching on the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Actually the Holy Spirit is never really mentioned or talked about. It's Father, Son and the Holy Book.
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2009, 12:00:37 PM »

They sure have a great website!

Made by the dudes at the GOA Internet Ministries on Holy Cross's campus.
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« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2009, 12:16:33 PM »

They sure have a great website!

Made by the dudes at the GOA Internet Ministries on Holy Cross's campus.

I believe one of those dudes is the husband of my wife's old friend. He's supposed to 'Friend' me on Facebook so we can chat.
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« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2009, 12:37:25 PM »

I'm listening to these podcast's :http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/orthodoxyheterodoxy

VERY good stuff in there!!

I hadn't seen this series before (probably because it's so new and I'm still behind on the other AFR shows I listen to!).  I will definitely give this a shot, if only to help me explain the various differences of theology to people.  Thanks for the heads up!


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The church we have been attending for the last 5 years has seen some explosive growth over the last 2 years. We baptized this year so far 197 people and that's not including Christian's who are coming and staying. It's the 'come to Jesus and be saved message' that concerns me. There's no teaching on the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Actually the Holy Spirit is never really mentioned or talked about. It's Father, Son and the Holy Book.

Interesting.  Now that you mention it, I really don't remember hearing the Evangelical Protestants I know talk about the Holy Spirit, at least the way Orthodox and Catholics do, as a "full-fledged" person of the Trinity. 
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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2009, 01:01:13 PM »

I'm listening to these podcast's :http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/orthodoxyheterodoxy

VERY good stuff in there!!

I hadn't seen this series before (probably because it's so new and I'm still behind on the other AFR shows I listen to!).  I will definitely give this a shot, if only to help me explain the various differences of theology to people.  Thanks for the heads up!


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The church we have been attending for the last 5 years has seen some explosive growth over the last 2 years. We baptized this year so far 197 people and that's not including Christian's who are coming and staying. It's the 'come to Jesus and be saved message' that concerns me. There's no teaching on the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Actually the Holy Spirit is never really mentioned or talked about. It's Father, Son and the Holy Book.

Interesting.  Now that you mention it, I really don't remember hearing the Evangelical Protestants I know talk about the Holy Spirit, at least the way Orthodox and Catholics do, as a "full-fledged" person of the Trinity. 

It would probably depend on what the person believes about the gifts of the Spirit. If they believe the sign type gifts passed away with the Apostles then the Holy Spirit is there in the life of the believer but in the background. If they believe that tongues and prophecy are for today, then you would hear a lot about the Holy Spirit and the need to be filled or baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It breaks down even further. Some hold that when you come to Christ or 'Born Again' and regenerated that you get all of the Holy Spirit. Other's believe in a 2nd experience with the Holy Spirit or a '2nd Blessing'.
My son has started to attend an Assemblies of God youth group where he's hearing alot about the need to be 'baptized in the Holy Ghost' (2nd experience). We looked through Acts together and I told him my position that I couldn't say yes or no if there was a 2nd experience. In Acts we have Peter preaching to Cornelius's household and before he's done speaking the Holy Spirit falls on them. Yet we also see instances when some disciples were found somewhere and they were asked 'Did you receive the Holy Spirit since you have believed?' and they replied they hadn't heard about that. I think Peter was sent to them to lay hands on them. So my answer to him was 'I'm not sure'. I just told him not to let people, in their enthusiasm, make him say or do something that's not genuine.
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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2009, 01:15:55 PM »

It breaks down even further. Some hold that when you come to Christ or 'Born Again' and regenerated that you get all of the Holy Spirit. Other's believe in a 2nd experience with the Holy Spirit or a '2nd Blessing'.

In the Orthodox Church, after an individual has been immersed in water three times "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," the priest annoints the individual with holy chrism (oil) and prays for the Holy Spirit to descend upon and dwell within the person. Thus a person is baptized and chrismated in the Orthodox Church.

Here is where you can find more information regarding Baptism and Chrismation:

Information on Holy Chrism:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8420

Great article on the Sacraments, including Baptism and Chrismation:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7105

Article on Infant Baptism
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7067

The Service of Holy Baptism
http://www.goarch.org/chapel/liturgical_texts/baptism
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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 03:45:56 PM »

It breaks down even further. Some hold that when you come to Christ or 'Born Again' and regenerated that you get all of the Holy Spirit. Other's believe in a 2nd experience with the Holy Spirit or a '2nd Blessing'.

In the Orthodox Church, after an individual has been immersed in water three times "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," the priest annoints the individual with holy chrism (oil) and prays for the Holy Spirit to descend upon and dwell within the person. Thus a person is baptized and chrismated in the Orthodox Church.

Here is where you can find more information regarding Baptism and Chrismation:

Information on Holy Chrism:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8420

Great article on the Sacraments, including Baptism and Chrismation:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7105

Article on Infant Baptism
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7067

The Service of Holy Baptism
http://www.goarch.org/chapel/liturgical_texts/baptism

May I add Of Water and the Spirit: A Liturgical Study of Baptism by Father Alexander Schmemann and published by the St Vladimirs Seminary Press (March 1, 1997)? It is available from multiple venues, including our seminaries and Amazon, and is most inspiring and enlightening.
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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2009, 04:17:33 PM »

There's no teaching on the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. Actually the Holy Spirit is never really mentioned or talked about. It's Father, Son and the Holy Book.

Another product of the filioque heresy.  It just goes to show that no matter how far from the Roman Catholic Church they think that they are, they are still her offspring, working with her erroneous concepts as the backbone to their theology.

This of course is not true of the "Pentecostal" movement, but their reaction to the filioque heresy is overdone and without proper guidance in the correction.  They are overcompensating for a lack of the Holy Spirit and the manifestation of miracles in the overly rational West, but in reaction they have ushered in total disorder and prelest (spiritual delusion).

I would be very cautious letting your son attend one of those groups.  There are too many dangers and demons floating around waiting to deceive those who are spiritually open.  The charismatic movement has synthesized mediumism and Christianity, but there's never any way to be certain who or what they are channeling.
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« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2009, 10:31:50 AM »

Well here's an update.

Over Christmas we went to a number of services.

At our current church the pastor used dialogue from the "Legend of Ricky Bobby" as his inspiration for the service. He did end up getting serious but the message part was for maybe 8 minutes out of a 30 minute service. No communion. We barely ever celebrate it.

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
My wife LOVED it!
LOVED it as in there's where she wants to go.
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I've been talking about Orthodoxy with her. She's supportive and got me a few books I wanted and a Russian Orthodox cross for Christmas. But she doesn't want to attend a church (OCA) that is an hour plus away. There is a Greek Orthodox Church (40 minutes away) that we visited last weekend to see a Christmas presentation. My wife and daughters all enjoyed that. The Byzantine music though was very hard to sing along with.

So that's where I am. I told her I have to attend a liturgy at the Greek Orthodox church at least once.

The Anglican church seemed to be Presbyterian-like but with priests and all the ceremony. I'm not sure if I should keep my Orthodox beliefs to myself and just go along. It looks like this new Anglican Church in North America still has a number if issues to sort out including the ordination of women which I do not support.

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« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2009, 10:42:49 AM »

I also know that for Christmas eve we want something more formal and I can't find a protestant\evangelical church near us that has a midnight service so I'm hoping to find an Orthodox church that does.

Boy, are you in luck! Generally speaking, except for special circumstances, pretty much all Orthodox Churches celebrate the Divine Liturgy at midnight on Christmas Eve.

Hm that's odd, I was told on another thread that this was an anomaly in the OC. Oh well...
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« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2009, 11:49:49 AM »

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
My wife LOVED it!
LOVED it as in there's where she wants to go.
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Shame that the closest WRO Church to you seems to be the one in Lynchberch, 4 hours away.

ACNA, is that the group that Met. Jonah spoke to?
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« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2009, 11:51:59 AM »

I also know that for Christmas eve we want something more formal and I can't find a protestant\evangelical church near us that has a midnight service so I'm hoping to find an Orthodox church that does.

Boy, are you in luck! Generally speaking, except for special circumstances, pretty much all Orthodox Churches celebrate the Divine Liturgy at midnight on Christmas Eve.

Hm that's odd, I was told on another thread that this was an anomaly in the OC. Oh well...

I think the Slavs have compline Christmas Eve, and then Liturgy Christmas Day.  I know with the Arabs (and He was born in Palestine!) Midnight DL is usual: I've never heard otherwise (btw, it's that way with the Copts too).
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« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2009, 01:02:00 PM »

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
My wife LOVED it!
LOVED it as in there's where she wants to go.
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Shame that the closest WRO Church to you seems to be the one in Lynchberch, 4 hours away.

ACNA, is that the group that Met. Jonah spoke to?

Yes it is. The Priest asked how we found them and I mentioned that.
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« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2009, 04:13:51 PM »

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You attempt to follow Christ, right? So yes.
Really? Just because one is 'sincere', means they are on the correct path? I don't think so.
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« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2009, 04:53:55 PM »

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You attempt to follow Christ, right? So yes.
Really? Just because one is 'sincere', means they are on the correct path? I don't think so.

Could you define the virtue of piousness as it was understood in the early Church? I ask because if we recognize the a sincere or earnest pursuit of the virtues, of which piousness is one, we might understand what DaveInCSA is speaking... No?
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« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2009, 05:41:20 PM »

Well here's an update.

Over Christmas we went to a number of services.

At our current church the pastor used dialogue from the "Legend of Ricky Bobby" as his inspiration for the service. He did end up getting serious but the message part was for maybe 8 minutes out of a 30 minute service. No communion. We barely ever celebrate it.

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
My wife LOVED it!
LOVED it as in there's where she wants to go.
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I've been talking about Orthodoxy with her. She's supportive and got me a few books I wanted and a Russian Orthodox cross for Christmas. But she doesn't want to attend a church (OCA) that is an hour plus away. There is a Greek Orthodox Church (40 minutes away) that we visited last weekend to see a Christmas presentation. My wife and daughters all enjoyed that. The Byzantine music though was very hard to sing along with.

So that's where I am. I told her I have to attend a liturgy at the Greek Orthodox church at least once.

The Anglican church seemed to be Presbyterian-like but with priests and all the ceremony. I'm not sure if I should keep my Orthodox beliefs to myself and just go along. It looks like this new Anglican Church in North America still has a number if issues to sort out including the ordination of women which I do not support.

 Undecided

Here is my opinion, FWIW:

See if the Greek Orthodox (GOA) parish has Vespers on Saturday nights. If they do, attend Vespers on Saturdays with your family (if they are willing to go) and then go to the Anglican Church on Sundays. If your family is not willing to go with you, ask your wife if she minds if you go by yourself. (Maybe on alternating weekends?)

Get to know the priest at the GOA parish and seek his advice. Also seek out the advice of the priest at the Anglican parish. Anglicans are generally not hostile to Orthodox, so he may actually be more helpful than you think. Smiley

I know plenty of people personally and elsewhere that used the Anglican Church as a stepping stone to Orthodoxy. (I actually know of one family who decided to pursue Orthodoxy two days after the husband was ordained an Anglican priest!)

Things are not as grim as you think they are. Pray, have faith, and ask for the intercessions of St. Monica.
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« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2009, 05:48:25 PM »

I don't know if it's been recommended already, but you may want to take a look at "Facing East" by Frederica Mathewes-Green.

Khouria Frederica's husband was an Anglican priest when he got the "bug" for Orthodoxy. Initially she was against it, but came around, and now her husband is a priest in the Antiochian Orthodox Church. ("Khouria" is the title given to priest's wives in Antiochian parishes.)

This book talks about their journey from Paganism to Anglican Christianity to Orthodox Christianity. You and your wife may find it interesting.

It can be purchased here: http://www.archangelsbooks.com/proddetail.asp?prod=HARMATHEW%2D02
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« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2009, 06:52:35 PM »

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Really? Just because one is 'sincere', means they are on the correct path? I don't think so.

But, if one is sincere, one cannot fake faith. So, even if you would wish to convert, you can't pretend to a faith that isn't there, however good the arguments of those 'on the correct path' are.
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« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2009, 07:32:52 PM »

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Really? Just because one is 'sincere', means they are on the correct path? I don't think so.

Way to chop context and distort it out of all recognition.

I didn't say anything about his sincerity. I also didn't say he was 'on the correct path'. What I said was:
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The concept of "Orthodox Christian" by its definition implies that there are "not-Orthodox Christians"
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« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2009, 08:37:48 PM »

Well here's an update.

Over Christmas we went to a number of services.

At our current church the pastor used dialogue from the "Legend of Ricky Bobby" as his inspiration for the service. He did end up getting serious but the message part was for maybe 8 minutes out of a 30 minute service. No communion. We barely ever celebrate it.

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
My wife LOVED it!
LOVED it as in there's where she wants to go.
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I've been talking about Orthodoxy with her. She's supportive and got me a few books I wanted and a Russian Orthodox cross for Christmas. But she doesn't want to attend a church (OCA) that is an hour plus away. There is a Greek Orthodox Church (40 minutes away) that we visited last weekend to see a Christmas presentation. My wife and daughters all enjoyed that. The Byzantine music though was very hard to sing along with.

So that's where I am. I told her I have to attend a liturgy at the Greek Orthodox church at least once.

The Anglican church seemed to be Presbyterian-like but with priests and all the ceremony. I'm not sure if I should keep my Orthodox beliefs to myself and just go along. It looks like this new Anglican Church in North America still has a number if issues to sort out including the ordination of women which I do not support.

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Here is my opinion, FWIW:

See if the Greek Orthodox (GOA) parish has Vespers on Saturday nights. If they do, attend Vespers on Saturdays with your family (if they are willing to go) and then go to the Anglican Church on Sundays. If your family is not willing to go with you, ask your wife if she minds if you go by yourself. (Maybe on alternating weekends?)

Get to know the priest at the GOA parish and seek his advice. Also seek out the advice of the priest at the Anglican parish. Anglicans are generally not hostile to Orthodox, so he may actually be more helpful than you think. Smiley

I know plenty of people personally and elsewhere that used the Anglican Church as a stepping stone to Orthodoxy. (I actually know of one family who decided to pursue Orthodoxy two days after the husband was ordained an Anglican priest!)

Things are not as grim as you think they are. Pray, have faith, and ask for the intercessions of St. Monica.

Thanks for the advice!

This Sunday we are going to the Anglican Church. We have to get our oldest back to college next weekend. The weekend after that I plan on attending a OCA church by myself and hopefully spend some time after service talking to a priest.
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« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2009, 09:18:23 PM »

We then ended up at the 10PM service at an Anglican Church that's part of the new ACNA. Service was 2 hours.
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Shame that the closest WRO Church to you seems to be the one in Lynchberch, 4 hours away.

ACNA, is that the group that Met. Jonah spoke to?

Did you mean Lynchburg, VA? I need to get to that mission myself (I'm only an hour west of Lynchburg). Someone from my church visited there and loved it. I heard that Fr. Alban was a very well-known Anglican bishop before he led his flock to Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2009, 09:55:48 PM »

I'm in South Carolina outside of Charlotte NC.
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« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2009, 10:21:08 AM »

I'm in South Carolina outside of Charlotte NC.

Oddly enough, there are several Orthodox parishes near you. I say oddly because this is not always the case in the South! I know several of the local clergy personally and all of them are good priests!
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Did you mean Lynchburg, VA? I need to get to that mission myself (I'm only an hour west of Lynchburg). Someone from my church visited there and loved it. I heard that Fr. Alban was a very well-known Anglican bishop before he led his flock to Orthodoxy.

From what I know (because a bishop of the Anglican Communion swimming either the Tiber or the Bosporus is news amoungst us) the then Bishop Robert Weggener was not "Anglican" as in part of the Anglican Communion.  He was a member of a "continuing" group.

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« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2009, 01:16:15 AM »

Did you mean Lynchburg, VA? I need to get to that mission myself (I'm only an hour west of Lynchburg). Someone from my church visited there and loved it. I heard that Fr. Alban was a very well-known Anglican bishop before he led his flock to Orthodoxy.

From what I know (because a bishop of the Anglican Communion swimming either the Tiber or the Bosporus is news amoungst us) the then Bishop Robert Weggener was not "Anglican" as in part of the Anglican Communion.  He was a member of a "continuing" group.

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Distinction without a difference for us me.

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Distinction without a difference for us me.

I fixed that for you Wink
Do fix the service books, as I don't see the difference for reception of "Anglican converts" from reception of "Continuing converts" in them.
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Distinction without a difference for us me.

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Well that's an interesting argument. So if I can find situations where the method of reception is the same for various forms of heresy, schism and division in the Church, then according to your argument, I should equate the heresies, schisms or divisions as being the same because the method of reception is the same. So, there really is no difference between, say, Catholics and Anglicans, if my jurisdiction happens to receive them in the same way?
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Distinction without a difference for us me.

I fixed that for you Wink
Do fix the service books, as I don't see the difference for reception of "Anglican converts" from reception of "Continuing converts" in them.

Well that's an interesting argument. So if I can find situations where the method of reception is the same for various forms of heresy, schism and division in the Church, then according to your argument, I should equate the heresies, schisms or divisions as being the same because the method of reception is the same. So, there really is no difference between, say, Catholics and Anglicans, if my jurisdiction happens to receive them in the same way?

As I understood it the reception of a Roman Catholic 'is' different than that of say a Baptist or an Anglican. We are to deny certain errors of our prospective traditions... Is this not correct? This is what was outlined to me by an OCA Parish Priest.
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« Reply #82 on: December 31, 2009, 12:20:26 PM »

 
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I was told that we would have to renouce what the Orthodox view as heretical in the Catholic Church and then be Chrismated as a way of reception.


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Distinction without a difference for us me.

I fixed that for you Wink
Do fix the service books, as I don't see the difference for reception of "Anglican converts" from reception of "Continuing converts" in them.

Well that's an interesting argument. So if I can find situations where the method of reception is the same for various forms of heresy, schism and division in the Church, then according to your argument, I should equate the heresies, schisms or divisions as being the same because the method of reception is the same. So, there really is no difference between, say, Catholics and Anglicans, if my jurisdiction happens to receive them in the same way?

As I understood it the reception of a Roman Catholic 'is' different than that of say a Baptist or an Anglican. We are to deny certain errors of our prospective traditions... Is this not correct? This is what was outlined to me by an OCA Parish Priest.

Well, I was just using that as an example, but you make a good point. I suppose I could have said Anglicans and some other group. My point, of course, was that there are countless different Christian religious groups, and Orthodox jurisdictions don't do in-depth analyses about each of 10,000* different groups and form different methods for receiving all 10,000. Receiving two groups in the same way doesn't give one the right to assume that they must be the same in belief/practice, and frankly it's silly to imply that it does. But to answer your question, I think you are correct, and I probably should not have said Anglican/Catholic, because the method for Catholics probably is a bit different in that they have to deny certain beliefs like that someone that was an Anglican wouldn't. Someone who recently converted from Catholicism would probably have a better idea of what exactly must be rejected (filioque, papal supremacy and infalliblity perhaps?)

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Distinction without a difference for us me.

I fixed that for you Wink
Do fix the service books, as I don't see the difference for reception of "Anglican converts" from reception of "Continuing converts" in them.

Well that's an interesting argument. So if I can find situations where the method of reception is the same for various forms of heresy, schism and division in the Church, then according to your argument, I should equate the heresies, schisms or divisions as being the same because the method of reception is the same. So, there really is no difference between, say, Catholics and Anglicans, if my jurisdiction happens to receive them in the same way?

As I understood it the reception of a Roman Catholic 'is' different than that of say a Baptist or an Anglican. We are to deny certain errors of our prospective traditions... Is this not correct? This is what was outlined to me by an OCA Parish Priest.

Well, I was just using that as an example, but you make a good point. I suppose I could have said Anglicans and some other group. My point, of course, was that there are countless different Christian religious groups, and Orthodox jurisdictions don't do in-depth analyses about each of 10,000* different groups and form different methods for receiving all 10,000. Receiving two groups in the same way doesn't give one the right to assume that they must be the same in belief/practice, and frankly it's silly to imply that it does. But to answer your question, I think you are correct, and I probably should have said Anglican/Catholic, because the method for Catholics probably is a bit different in that they have to deny certain beliefs like that someone that was an Anglican wouldn't. Someone who recently converted from Catholicism would probably have a better idea of what exactly must be rejected (filioque, papal supremacy and infalliblity perhaps?)

*Obviously a ball park figure

Yes, I think there are about 6 different things that are either denied or accepted. I went over these last year with a local Orthodox Parish Priest so I don't recall exactly the number or the details. Papal Supremacy and Infallibility was in there though.
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« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2009, 12:31:50 PM »

I'm sure the Immaculate conception would be in there too.
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I'm sure the Immaculate conception would be in there too.

Yes it is I remember that and we spoke about it at length because at the time I wasn't in agreement with the Orthodox view of Mary Ever-Virgin.
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« Reply #87 on: January 02, 2010, 11:15:20 PM »

Just a word about travel time. While we explored Orthodoxy we visited a large, established church just a few minutes away. Our reception was not very warm and it seemed so "foreign". Then on another Sunday we drove an hour to a little mission church and felt a wonderful warmth there, sensing the quiet, peaceful, presence of God through the people. I could not see myself going anywhere else. Our many trips now that we are members are a part of our service to God, not as a spiritual discipline, but time well-spent on the ride over, listening to Orthodox music, silently praying and preparing for the liturgy. So please don't dismiss a church and settle for something "less" because it is convenient. Have a blessed journey!
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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2010, 02:14:53 PM »

Part of Schultz's reply is correct, their liturgical practices are kind of hodgepodge. I like to call it Orthodoxy for liberals because they have a very laid back attitude to the practices of the church. Now I can only speak for the parish I was born and baptised in and was a member of for 22 years, but some of the issues are:

1) Pascal Matins are served on Holy Saturday evening with Liturgy being served on Sunday morning.
2) Very rarely if ever is vespers served and never matins (except the afore mentioned Holy Saturday)
3) Confession is required only once a year (yes I know, there is nothing wrong with that)
4) The general idea with Sunday liturgy is lets get through this so we can do downstairs and socialize.
5) Communion is routinely given to all who approach the chalice without regard to their religion. (I've seen this a number of times personally)
6) Their Metropolitan is very similar to a pope with absolute control and no one to answer to. Of course the Metropolitan doesn't actually run the diocese, rather the Chancellor does.
7) The promotion of priests is based on whether or not you are a favorite of the Metropolitan. Kind of fishy when you have a 2 year experienced priest who is a Very Reverend Protopresbytr while a 30 year experienced priest is still just a Reverend.
8 ) If you aren't from the East Coast, your opinion is worthless even at the diocesan Sobor (annual meeting of the diocese)
9) Decisions of the Sobor are able to be over turned by the Metropolitan without explanation and without appeal.


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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »

I'm sure the Immaculate conception would be in there too.

Yes it is I remember that and we spoke about it at length because at the time I wasn't in agreement with the Orthodox view of Mary Ever-Virgin.
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