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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #225 on: June 11, 2012, 10:36:32 AM »
What's with the Byzantine flag? Convertitis?

... and it's a crying shame there's an "ark of salvation" there. Hope it's a case of honest ignorance, not misguided zealotry.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #226 on: June 11, 2012, 10:36:40 AM »
Reminds me of the bookstore at the cathedral not far from me.  :)

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #227 on: June 11, 2012, 10:37:29 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #228 on: June 11, 2012, 11:20:43 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time? 
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #229 on: June 11, 2012, 11:29:26 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time? 

I believe it's set so the correct liturgical hour is displayed on the clock. E.g., at 3:00 the clock says 9:00, for the ninth hour.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #230 on: June 11, 2012, 11:35:21 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time?  

I believe it's set so the correct liturgical hour is displayed on the clock. E.g., at 3:00 the clock says 9:00, for the ninth hour.

... which is, in itself incorrect, unless adjustments are made. According to monastic typika, the day and night are ordered by dividing the periods of daylight and night into a set number of "hours", which rarely correspond to 60 minutes in length.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #231 on: June 11, 2012, 11:39:01 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time?  

I believe it's set so the correct liturgical hour is displayed on the clock. E.g., at 3:00 the clock says 9:00, for the ninth hour.

... which is, in itself incorrect, unless adjustments are made. According to monastic typika, the day and night are ordered by dividing the periods of daylight and night into a set number of "hours", which rarely correspond to 60 minutes in length.

Yep!  Just read about this in Boorstin's "The Discoverers."  We didn't divide day time into the present 24 hours of 60 minutes each until well after the establishment of monastic hours, which were regulated more by actual daylight/moonlight than our present time scheme.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #232 on: June 11, 2012, 11:55:56 AM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time? 
St. Silioun once (before he became a monk) sat in the corner of a bar looking down in contemplation while the rest of his fellow soldiers were celebrating. Concerned, they approached and asked about his appearant sadness. He replied that during their celebrations, the monks on Athos were praying Vespers. Sobering reminders (even as simple as a clock) can be beneficial in remaining constantly mindful of Orthodoxy.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #233 on: June 11, 2012, 12:15:43 PM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.

What is the point of having a clock on Athonite time?  
St. Silioun once (before he became a monk) sat in the corner of a bar looking down in contemplation while the rest of his fellow soldiers were celebrating. Concerned, they approached and asked about his appearant sadness. He replied that during their celebrations, the monks on Athos were praying Vespers. Sobering reminders (even as simple as a clock) can be beneficial in remaining constantly mindful of Orthodoxy.

To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?  

Note, also, that chances are that St. Silouan was in the same time zone as Athos when he said what you quoted.  He was pointing out that monks on Athos were praying at the same relative time his comrades were celebrating.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #234 on: June 11, 2012, 01:26:30 PM »
To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?
I don't understand the criticism on this thread. I was posting some neat pictures from a friend of mine's icon corner, nothing more. If you would like to remember Jerusalem time, that's fine. Buy a clock and set it accordingly. It's not a issue of theology or necessity. Some people hang pictures, my friend likes having a clock. If St. Silouan is wrong in his reflection, then you will have to take that up with him.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #235 on: June 12, 2012, 10:42:54 AM »
To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?
I don't understand the criticism on this thread. I was posting some neat pictures from a friend of mine's icon corner, nothing more. If you would like to remember Jerusalem time, that's fine. Buy a clock and set it accordingly. It's not a issue of theology or necessity. Some people hang pictures, my friend likes having a clock. If St. Silouan is wrong in his reflection, then you will have to take that up with him.

I have no problem with St. Silouan's reflection, as after re-reading the early part of his life, I am now more convinced than ever that he was talking about the fact that while they were celebrating, monks were praying in the same time zone.  There is nothing special about the time zone that Mt. Athos is in.  One should be praying vespers or any other service at the proper time where one is.  That is the meaning of St. Silouan's comment, not the fact that one should know when it's tea-time on Mt. Athos.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #236 on: June 12, 2012, 05:50:57 PM »
To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?
I don't understand the criticism on this thread. I was posting some neat pictures from a friend of mine's icon corner, nothing more. If you would like to remember Jerusalem time, that's fine. Buy a clock and set it accordingly. It's not a issue of theology or necessity. Some people hang pictures, my friend likes having a clock. If St. Silouan is wrong in his reflection, then you will have to take that up with him.

I have no problem with St. Silouan's reflection, as after re-reading the early part of his life, I am now more convinced than ever that he was talking about the fact that while they were celebrating, monks were praying in the same time zone.  There is nothing special about the time zone that Mt. Athos is in.  One should be praying vespers or any other service at the proper time where one is.  That is the meaning of St. Silouan's comment, not the fact that one should know when it's tea-time on Mt. Athos.
I don't know where you got the impression that my friend prayed Vespers according to Athonite time.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #237 on: June 12, 2012, 10:58:00 PM »
People in the West who lack that can make an effort to incorporate some of it into their daily lives by building up a beautiful icon corner or even turning a garden shed into a tiny chapel.

A member of my family's parish many years ago turned her garage into a tiny chapel. Over the years, she added many icons, and eventually had an iconostasis built. After she died, the chapel was given to a small mission, and has become a full thriving Antiochian parish. What was originally the home is now the parish hall, and the garage has been expanded upon to hold the parish.

So you see, one person's piety eventually gave birth to an entire community. :)
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #238 on: June 13, 2012, 12:09:13 AM »
Not my icon corner, but a friend of mine's.

It is beautiful.  Thank you for sharing!
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #239 on: June 13, 2012, 12:17:58 AM »
So, I gather, Ioannis Climacus was good buddies with fr. Cleopa. only there have I ever seen such a hodge-podge of religious artifacts.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #240 on: June 13, 2012, 12:36:28 AM »
To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?
I don't understand the criticism on this thread. I was posting some neat pictures from a friend of mine's icon corner, nothing more. If you would like to remember Jerusalem time, that's fine. Buy a clock and set it accordingly. It's not a issue of theology or necessity. Some people hang pictures, my friend likes having a clock. If St. Silouan is wrong in his reflection, then you will have to take that up with him.

I have no problem with St. Silouan's reflection, as after re-reading the early part of his life, I am now more convinced than ever that he was talking about the fact that while they were celebrating, monks were praying in the same time zone.  There is nothing special about the time zone that Mt. Athos is in.  One should be praying vespers or any other service at the proper time where one is.  That is the meaning of St. Silouan's comment, not the fact that one should know when it's tea-time on Mt. Athos.

Athonite time does not mean setting the clock to UTC+2. It is a technique of setting the clock to reflect the liturgical time of day and timing it to the local solar time. Local solar noon = 6th hour, etc.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #241 on: June 13, 2012, 12:44:21 AM »
I'll be getting my first Icon at my Baptism on the 23rd which will be St. Augustine and I am also saving up my money to purchase an Icon of St. Monica to go with it. I want to start off my Icon corner with Icons of my two favorite Saints.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #242 on: June 13, 2012, 12:50:38 AM »
I'll be getting my first Icon at my Baptism on the 23rd which will be St. Augustine and I am also saving up my money to purchase an Icon of St. Monica to go with it. I want to start off my Icon corner with Icons of my two favorite Saints.

That is beautiful.

If you can afford it, I recommend hanging an icon of Christ (preferably the Pantokrator) and another of the Virgin and Child (preferably the Hodogetria). Both, of course, being icons of Christ.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #243 on: June 13, 2012, 07:04:21 AM »
Athonite time does not mean setting the clock to UTC+2. It is a technique of setting the clock to reflect the liturgical time of day and timing it to the local solar time. Local solar noon = 6th hour, etc.
I quite like this concept - though I don't know how I can effectively put it into practice. Orthodoxy's practice of beginning the day at sundown was one of the (smaller) points that affirmed its proclamation of historical Biblical truth for me. This site is helpful for determining sunset, sunrise, solar noon, and more for any specific location.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #244 on: June 13, 2012, 09:11:19 AM »
To me it seems to go against living in the here and now and working out our salvation where we are at the moment.  Why not have a clock timed to Jerusalem?
I don't understand the criticism on this thread. I was posting some neat pictures from a friend of mine's icon corner, nothing more. If you would like to remember Jerusalem time, that's fine. Buy a clock and set it accordingly. It's not a issue of theology or necessity. Some people hang pictures, my friend likes having a clock. If St. Silouan is wrong in his reflection, then you will have to take that up with him.

I have no problem with St. Silouan's reflection, as after re-reading the early part of his life, I am now more convinced than ever that he was talking about the fact that while they were celebrating, monks were praying in the same time zone.  There is nothing special about the time zone that Mt. Athos is in.  One should be praying vespers or any other service at the proper time where one is.  That is the meaning of St. Silouan's comment, not the fact that one should know when it's tea-time on Mt. Athos.
I don't know where you got the impression that my friend prayed Vespers according to Athonite time.

Age234 explained what "athonite time" is.  My apologies for misunderstanding you.

I still think it's silly, as all you've done is put a clock ahead 6 hours; it's one thing for monks who have left the world to do it, as it directly impacts their day, but for a lay person to do it strikes me a bit odd, but to each his own.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #245 on: June 15, 2012, 02:32:01 AM »
I'll be getting my first Icon at my Baptism on the 23rd which will be St. Augustine

Do you happen to know where those can be bought?
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« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2012, 06:36:36 AM »
I was digging around on facebook the other day and came across a picture of my first Icon Corner. It is very simple and I built the stand/shelf thing out of a broken book shelf.
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« Reply #247 on: June 15, 2012, 03:29:12 PM »
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« Reply #248 on: June 16, 2012, 01:43:20 PM »
What's with the Byzantine East Roman flag? Convertitis?
It is in imitation of Athos (which still flies the flag). One of the house clocks is on Athonite time as well.
LOL when I first saw the pics I was asking if that clock was in Athonite time...and wow.
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« Reply #249 on: June 16, 2012, 01:44:39 PM »
I just visited a dear friend who recently moved and just finished putting up their main icon "corner".

Where did your friend get the main icon of St. John of San Francisco in the middle?

He had this painted by the man who painted the icon of St. John which is above his relics in San Francisco:



It is the same icon, except St. John is holding the Cathedral in the icon above his relics, rather than a staff.

Wow what a beautiful picture. Is that from a parish? Which one?

I found this: http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/who.html

But I don't think that's it.
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« Reply #250 on: June 19, 2012, 08:54:34 PM »
That's the relics of St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco in the Joy of All Who Sorrow Cathedral in San Francisco. You can't quite tell from the picture, but his body is within the golden...I'm not sure of the term, coffin? Reliquary? Under his Icon. It has a glass top so you can see his relics.


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« Reply #251 on: August 03, 2012, 11:20:37 PM »
This is how mine is currently set up.

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« Reply #252 on: August 07, 2012, 11:51:20 AM »
This is how mine is currently set up.

That is beautiful! What is the icon on the far left? I've never seen that one before.
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« Reply #253 on: August 07, 2012, 11:16:34 PM »
This is how mine is currently set up.

That is beautiful! What is the icon on the far left? I've never seen that one before.

Thank you!

It's of a 12th century appearance of Mary to a prince. It's called by either Bogolyubovo/Bogolyubsky. Wikipedia has a short entry on the apparition. :)

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« Reply #254 on: August 07, 2012, 11:19:43 PM »
Which reminds me that I haven't seen Bogoliubtsy around in quite some time. I agree though, nice :)

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« Reply #255 on: August 07, 2012, 11:55:58 PM »
My new icon corner





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« Reply #256 on: August 08, 2012, 12:06:48 AM »
^Beautiful! What version of the Scriptures is that, though?
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« Reply #257 on: August 08, 2012, 12:20:25 AM »
^Beautiful! What version of the Scriptures is that, though?

Thank you! It's the OSB.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #258 on: August 08, 2012, 04:02:16 AM »
This is how mine is currently set up.

That is beautiful! What is the icon on the far left? I've never seen that one before.

Thank you!

It's of a 12th century appearance of Mary to a prince. It's called by either Bogolyubovo/Bogolyubsky. Wikipedia has a short entry on the apparition. :)

A slight correction: The icon in Nephi's icon corner is only a portion of the Bogolyubskaya icon. The full icon shows the Mother of God appearing to Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky and his troops, hence the name.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #259 on: August 08, 2012, 10:58:05 AM »
A slight correction: The icon in Nephi's icon corner is only a portion of the Bogolyubskaya icon. The full icon shows the Mother of God appearing to Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky and his troops, hence the name.

These icons seem to have two styles, 1) ones that depict her specifically appearing to the Prince/his men, and 2) those that have her pointing toward Christ (almost always without the Prince/men).

Mine falls into the latter, and is not a portion of one in the former.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #261 on: August 08, 2012, 11:31:13 AM »
My new icon corner


I like the "symetrical but not totally identical" thing going on :)  Some of the icons seem to be like 1/16 of an inch tilted though... I guess I'm Obsessive compulsive about that kind of thing  :D

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #262 on: August 10, 2012, 03:53:18 AM »
What's with the Byzantine flag? Convertitis?

... and it's a crying shame there's an "ark of salvation" there. Hope it's a case of honest ignorance, not misguided zealotry.

LBK, what's the dealio with the Franciscan crucifix I've seen in an icon corner on this thread which looks vaguely Byzantine? Is it acceptable?
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« Reply #263 on: August 10, 2012, 05:26:36 AM »
LBK, what's the dealio with the Franciscan crucifix I've seen in an icon corner on this thread which looks vaguely Byzantine? Is it acceptable?

If it adheres to the principles of Orthodox iconography, why not? The style San Damiano/Franciscan crucifix is actually Byzantine in origin.

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« Reply #264 on: August 10, 2012, 05:32:38 AM »
What's with the Byzantine flag? Convertitis?

... and it's a crying shame there's an "ark of salvation" there. Hope it's a case of honest ignorance, not misguided zealotry.

LBK, what's the dealio with the Franciscan crucifix I've seen in an icon corner on this thread which looks vaguely Byzantine? Is it acceptable?

The San Damiano crucifix is unusual in that, unlike all Orthodox icons of the crucifixion, it shows Christ with His eyes open. This, in itself, does not contradict Orthodox teaching, as it is an attempt to illustrate Christ as victorious over sin and death, though I feel a more suitable depiction is for His eyes to be closed, which better signify His death, his submission to the will of His Father, and His free and willing sacrifice.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #265 on: August 10, 2012, 05:42:25 AM »
I still think it's silly, as all you've done is put a clock ahead 6 hours; it's one thing for monks who have left the world to do it, as it directly impacts their day, but for a lay person to do it strikes me a bit odd, but to each his own.

Why not, if your schedule allows for it? Vespers is meant to be prayed at the setting of the sun, marking the beginning of the liturgical day. In parishes, compromises are necessary (Matins, which should start in the middle of the night and end with sunrise is normally sung 7 in the evening by Russians, or 8 in the morning by Greeks, for example), but this does in many ways undermine the very clear connection between the time of the services and the passing of the day, and the purpose of the services as sanctifiers of time. For most of us it would be impossible, but to those able I say go for it.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #266 on: August 15, 2012, 12:07:37 AM »
Completed! For a good while, anyway.  ;)

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #267 on: August 15, 2012, 12:33:23 AM »
Completed! For a good while, anyway.  ;)
Multiple Old Man Trinity icons and statuary; I admire your boldness!  :police:

That central quasi-diorama crucifixion is pretty cool.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #268 on: August 15, 2012, 12:37:49 AM »
My new icon corner


I like the "symetrical but not totally identical" thing going on :)  Some of the icons seem to be like 1/16 of an inch tilted though... I guess I'm Obsessive compulsive about that kind of thing  :D

Thanks!

Eh, it's in the corner so the actual photo might distort it a little bit. :P You're probably right about it being off though.  :)

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #269 on: August 15, 2012, 12:50:45 AM »
Multiple Old Man Trinity icons and statuary; I admire your boldness!  :police:

That central quasi-diorama crucifixion is pretty cool.

Old Man Trinity icons and statuary are the best. ;)

I love it. It's a shadowbox made in the 19th century (I believe) during the time of Pope Pius IX. It hasn't been in a church for at least 40 years, and still smells of incense! Brought it to my church to get it blessed and I had several parishioners offering to buy it outright. I managed to buy it for $10 at a flea market.  8)
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