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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #405 on: May 09, 2014, 08:28:09 PM »
I've never had an icon corner, per se. Before I redid my room and got more space for things, all of my icons were on my dresser. Now I have everything on a little table. I have no idea if the table is on the eastern side or not, isn't that bad?

if it makes you feel better...mine faces west..;)

Yeah, I think mine faces west as well. :angel:

East may be ideal, but I don't think it's important enough to have to rearrange everything for it.

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #406 on: May 09, 2014, 08:30:31 PM »
I've never had an icon corner, per se. Before I redid my room and got more space for things, all of my icons were on my dresser. Now I have everything on a little table. I have no idea if the table is on the eastern side or not, isn't that bad?

if it makes you feel better...mine faces west..;)

Yeah, I think mine faces west as well. :angel:

East may be ideal, but I don't think it's important enough to have to rearrange everything for it.

exactly....houses are not -built- to all have a good location that works...it's more important that one uses it...than which direction it faces, especially if it makes it in a spot that will discourage prayer.

granted..I can always use improvement in the pray more....first to admit that...

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #407 on: May 09, 2014, 08:33:14 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #408 on: May 09, 2014, 08:34:11 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.


Maybe she was up there to kiss the Theotokos?! :angel:

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #409 on: May 09, 2014, 08:53:34 PM »
Yeah, I think mine faces west as well. :angel:

East may be ideal, but I don't think it's important enough to have to rearrange everything for it.

I never had a "corner", always a wall with table or, when in college, the top of a dresser.  Sometimes West was the best I could do, other times Southeastish, but the majority of the time East worked out. 

But for us, East is actually more important than facing the icon, so our piety would not see anything odd about praying toward the East even with the icons on a Northern, Southern, or even Western wall.  Personally, I never managed to choose East over icon of my own volition, but I've been in such a position many times before.   
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #410 on: May 09, 2014, 08:59:17 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

I have a home-made "table" (i.e. cloth-covered board) that's currently setting on a smaller bookcase, and I've seen a cat on it more than once and knocking icons off on occasion. I even came home one day to see a blessed rose I received a couple years back apparently devoured, with just part of the stem and crumbs left. I really don't understand that one.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #411 on: May 09, 2014, 09:09:57 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.


Maybe she was up there to kiss the Theotokos?! :angel:

Honestly, she walks around licking EVERYTHING, so that might not be too far off.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #412 on: May 09, 2014, 09:11:20 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

She's not being blasphemous at all. In fact, cats are the only creature which is allowed inside a church, including the altar area. There's even a canon about it somewhere.  :)
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #413 on: May 09, 2014, 09:12:13 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.


Maybe she was up there to kiss the Theotokos?! :angel:

Honestly, she walks around licking EVERYTHING, so that might not be too far off.

See? Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!  :D
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #414 on: May 09, 2014, 09:13:17 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

She's not being blasphemous at all. In fact, cats are the only creature which is allowed inside a church, including the altar area. There's even a canon about it somewhere.  :)

I really hope you're not joking.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #415 on: May 09, 2014, 09:25:07 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #416 on: May 09, 2014, 09:30:04 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

Walks into the church, or walks into the altar? Either way *scratches head*.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #417 on: May 09, 2014, 09:30:46 PM »
Into the church. 
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #418 on: May 09, 2014, 09:32:29 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #419 on: May 09, 2014, 09:36:08 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

There is indeed a canon which I remember reading, IIRC from a Russian local council, which confirmed existing practice. Unfortunately, I have been unable to retrace the source.

Moreover, priests, married and monastic, of Greek and Russian traditions, have confirmed this feline privilege when I've asked them about it.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #420 on: May 09, 2014, 09:41:59 PM »
Into the church. 

Wow - wonder how that one came about...
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #421 on: May 09, 2014, 09:49:22 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

I'm assuming there is an exception for guide dogs?

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #422 on: May 09, 2014, 09:52:11 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

I'm assuming there is an exception for guide dogs?



If there isn't, there should be.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #423 on: May 09, 2014, 09:53:08 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

I'm assuming there is an exception for guide dogs?



If there isn't, there should be.

LBK, if you're ever able to find any written source for the kitty canon, please post it or PM it to me. This is cracking me up.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #424 on: May 09, 2014, 09:54:07 PM »
Into the church. 

Would this count for outdoor chapel/altars? Holy Cross Hermitage (WV) has one as well as a few dogs (and cats IIRC), but I don't imagine they would in either case even though the dogs have probably wound up there at least once.


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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #425 on: May 09, 2014, 09:55:04 PM »
I really hope you're not joking.

I've never heard of a canon allowing cats and only cats in the church and in the altar.  The closest thing to it I've heard is a canon which says that a church needs to be re-consecrated if a dog walks in, but not if a cat walks in.  But I've never actually read that one or even seen a solid reference...it's like the Holy Grail of canons. 

I'm assuming there is an exception for guide dogs?



If there isn't, there should be.

LBK, if you're ever able to find any written source for the kitty canon, please post it or PM it to me. This is cracking me up.

Believe me, I'd love to find it again as well!
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #426 on: May 09, 2014, 09:55:48 PM »
I'm assuming there is an exception for guide dogs?

Were there guide dogs at the time of the canon?  I can't imagine they would be a problem, but I doubt such things were in the mind of the bishops.    

Nowadays, I can't see a bishop requiring a church to be re-consecrated if an animal happens to walk in.  Plenty already do.  ;)
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #427 on: May 09, 2014, 09:56:58 PM »
Would this count for outdoor chapel/altars? Holy Cross Hermitage (WV) has one as well as a few dogs (and cats IIRC), but I don't imagine they would in either case even though the dogs have probably wound up there at least once.

I doubt such a structure is actually consecrated, so I imagine the canon would not apply. 
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #428 on: May 09, 2014, 09:59:42 PM »
Would this count for outdoor chapel/altars? Holy Cross Hermitage (WV) has one as well as a few dogs (and cats IIRC), but I don't imagine they would in either case even though the dogs have probably wound up there at least once.

I doubt such a structure is actually consecrated, so I imagine the canon would not apply. 

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #429 on: May 09, 2014, 10:03:45 PM »
Would this count for outdoor chapel/altars? Holy Cross Hermitage (WV) has one as well as a few dogs (and cats IIRC), but I don't imagine they would in either case even though the dogs have probably wound up there at least once.

I doubt such a structure is actually consecrated, so I imagine the canon would not apply. 

the dog might do a consecration of its own.

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« Reply #430 on: May 09, 2014, 10:06:59 PM »
the dog might do a consecration of its own.

hiyoooooo.

And now you know why Chrism smells so good.
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« Reply #431 on: May 09, 2014, 10:09:58 PM »
the dog might do a consecration of its own.

hiyoooooo.

And now you know why Chrism smells so good.

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« Reply #432 on: May 09, 2014, 10:22:26 PM »
the dog might do a consecration of its own.

hiyoooooo.

And now you know why Chrism smells so good.

Oooo, you're on a roll tonight, Mor!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #433 on: May 10, 2014, 08:19:10 AM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

Didn't you solve that problem?  I thought you posted a picture of you choking your cat. :angel:
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« Reply #434 on: May 10, 2014, 02:23:04 PM »
Maybe the cat just wanted to pray. :)
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #435 on: May 10, 2014, 03:11:23 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

Didn't you solve that problem?  I thought you posted a picture of you choking your cat. :angel:

This is a different cat. The cat that I was choking-but-not-really-choking is way too husky to be crawling on my wobbly icon table. She'd make the thing collapse.
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« Reply #436 on: May 10, 2014, 03:19:14 PM »
I caught my cat walking on my icon table the other night. Blasphemous little creature. That's one drawback to having a table instead of a wall.

Didn't you solve that problem?  I thought you posted a picture of you choking your cat. :angel:

This is a different cat. The cat that I was choking-but-not-really-choking is way too husky to be crawling on my wobbly icon table. She'd make the thing collapse.

LOL, time to strengthen that table, just in case.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #437 on: May 12, 2014, 02:09:15 AM »
I have two dressers in my room. One of them holds my bathroom towels and winter clothes. At the moment, I have my icons and other important Orthodox items stationed atop it, though I plan to get a real place for them sometime.
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« Reply #438 on: May 12, 2014, 02:25:22 AM »
The closest thing I have to an icon corner is my roommate's Deesis icon (it's under 2 inches by 2 inches; quite small) taped to a picture frame atop the refrigerator. :D

I have a second, larger icon of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker which I keep in my nightstand. I take it out when I need it and return it afterwards.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #439 on: May 25, 2014, 08:33:28 PM »
A quick question (well two haha).

I know the convention for an icon corner is to have an icon of Christ, one of the Theotokos, and one's patron saint, but how does one choose *which* icon type to choose?

Second, where does one get wall crosses?

Thanks in advance

Just to add to this: is there a "most common" icon of a feast or something like the Annunciation, Transfiguration, etc that one gets, or is it again a case of choose whichever you like, as long as it's a canonical icon? Ignoring the Crucifixion (or alternatively, a wall cross), that is.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #440 on: May 26, 2014, 12:26:58 AM »
Just to add to this: is there a "most common" icon of a feast or something like the Annunciation, Transfiguration, etc that one gets, or is it again a case of choose whichever you like, as long as it's a canonical icon? Ignoring the Crucifixion (or alternatively, a wall cross), that is.

Do you mean a "most common" version of a particular type of festal icon, or a "most common" feast to have an icon of? 
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #441 on: May 26, 2014, 12:36:53 AM »
I have some questions about hanging lamps in front of icons. Sorry if these are elementary, but I've never had a hanging one. Are any positions preferable or discouraged? Like should you try to make it level with the bottom of the icon? Is having the lamp 3 inches lower than the icon bad form? Are there particular icons it'd be traditional to have them in front of, like your patron or the Theotokos, or is it pretty much fine regardless of which icon is there?
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #442 on: May 26, 2014, 12:43:18 AM »
Just to add to this: is there a "most common" icon of a feast or something like the Annunciation, Transfiguration, etc that one gets, or is it again a case of choose whichever you like, as long as it's a canonical icon? Ignoring the Crucifixion (or alternatively, a wall cross), that is.

Do you mean a "most common" version of a particular type of festal icon, or a "most common" feast to have an icon of? 

"Most common" feast / event.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #443 on: May 26, 2014, 12:46:25 AM »
Just to add to this: is there a "most common" icon of a feast or something like the Annunciation, Transfiguration, etc that one gets, or is it again a case of choose whichever you like, as long as it's a canonical icon? Ignoring the Crucifixion (or alternatively, a wall cross), that is.

Do you mean a "most common" version of a particular type of festal icon, or a "most common" feast to have an icon of? 

"Most common" feast / event.

The most important feast is the Resurrection. It is the feast of feasts. Most common? Really can't say.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #444 on: May 26, 2014, 12:50:35 AM »
Just to add to this: is there a "most common" icon of a feast or something like the Annunciation, Transfiguration, etc that one gets, or is it again a case of choose whichever you like, as long as it's a canonical icon? Ignoring the Crucifixion (or alternatively, a wall cross), that is.

Do you mean a "most common" version of a particular type of festal icon, or a "most common" feast to have an icon of? 

"Most common" feast / event.

I don't know if there is such a thing.  I've seen a lot of converts gravitate to the Resurrection icon, but I think that's a personal preference.  

I have a few festal icons which I put up seasonally: Annunciation, Nativity, Epiphany, Resurrection.  For Lent and the period after 14 September, I put up the Cross, for Pentecost an icon of the Trinity, an icon of the Apostles for June and July, an icon of the Mother of God for August and the first half of September.  And that is just my personal preference.  I'm unaware of any rules.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #445 on: May 26, 2014, 01:00:34 AM »
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There are no rules.
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #446 on: May 26, 2014, 01:01:37 AM »
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #447 on: May 26, 2014, 01:03:05 AM »
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There are no rules.


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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #448 on: May 26, 2014, 03:57:43 PM »
The most important feast is the Resurrection. It is the feast of feasts. Most common? Really can't say.

Ah okay.

I don't know if there is such a thing.  I've seen a lot of converts gravitate to the Resurrection icon, but I think that's a personal preference.  

I have a few festal icons which I put up seasonally: Annunciation, Nativity, Epiphany, Resurrection.  For Lent and the period after 14 September, I put up the Cross, for Pentecost an icon of the Trinity, an icon of the Apostles for June and July, an icon of the Mother of God for August and the first half of September.  And that is just my personal preference.  I'm unaware of any rules.

Haha on rotation. That's great!

Thank you both. So far I have taken a linking to ones of the Resurrection and of the Transfiguration. We'll see what happens...
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Re: Icon corners
« Reply #449 on: June 04, 2014, 02:20:27 PM »
Just as a small update. I've managed to get my icon corner set up. Now I'm working on getting a Platytera style icon of the Theotokos (I've found one I really like but it's not in stock at the moment) to go above the two icons I have now, as well as an icon of my patron saint, and St. John of Damascus (who I quite like).  Other than that I'm looking for a candle holder.



Wonder why the picture came out so poorly ???.

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