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« on: January 28, 2015, 05:55:01 PM »

 My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 06:21:04 PM »

Non-denominational churches are man-made.

Give them a booklet? Ask them to Vespers? Show them some photos from a liturgy?

Hope it helps. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 08:09:37 PM »

Also, ask them where were the non-denominational churches in 1600? 1200? 800?

If they bring up names like George Whitefield or Jonathan Edwards, remind them that those guys did belong to denominations.

Non-denominationalism (and ecumenism, which is very closely related) both originated on the American frontier in the mid-19th century. This partly occurred as a result of small towns having 2 or 3 people each in several different denominations, so instead of having a separate church for each one, they would have one community church that de-emphasized doctrine in favor of pietism and emotionalism.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 08:12:12 PM »

Don't argue about religion with him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 08:25:23 PM »

Remind your friend that the non denominationalists are literally still independent denominations whether they like it or not. Also, there isn't such a thing as "I love Jesus and hate religion" amongst the Early Christians. But some form of it certainly existed amongst the Gnostics.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 08:27:08 PM »

Your friend has probably been taught a lot of lies about Orthodoxy (and Catholicism at a guess). It will potentially take a long time for him to unlearn them, and he/she may not be ready to start that process yet. Pray for him/her, answer questions politely, allow him/her to disagree with you without taking offence, and show by your life what your faith means to you.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 09:16:41 PM »

Ask them to "come and see." People come and go and sometimes there comes a point in your life when you need to make a choice. Either stay around them and continue to show the love of Christ by how you act (not preach at them) or you turn and walk away. You aren't going to get anywhere by telling them why they are wrong and why you are right. "Preaching at people" doesn't help you or them. If you can live with looking pass the ignorance and keep showing them love through your actions, than more power to you.

Sadly all my friends ended up walking away from me because they said the bible is modern and "adapts with the times." They thought I was stuck in some "old and outdated" way of worship with my "weird prayers" and crossing myself. I was dubbed a bad influence, so they left. It was hard at first, but I have so many wonderful Orthodox friends now! I am very grateful for all God has given me - for as unworthy as I am.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 09:25:40 PM »

Come and see for yourself.
Many priests, bishops and others have said so.

Looking back like, hmm..three and half years ago..I was so curious about Orthodoxy. Found a clip on youtube and was like:
nice, but nah..catholisism is it, this is wrong.

Five months later: totally breathtaken. Then I said: Orthodoxy is it! Yes, it is!
A have been so ever since.

So yes, do invite him/her/them to a vespers, a divine liturgy or just give them a guided tour in your parish.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 10:57:53 PM »

I've contemplated going back to the priest/instructor class on Sunday morning before the liturgy.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 11:02:56 PM »

I would tell him based on what precedent, except his personal interpretation of the Bible, where he gets his ideas from.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2015, 11:21:30 PM »

The best is to just ignore them and not bother speaking of religion at all. I've been in your boat for a long time and I've tried everything, but the truth of the matter is that nothing is going to change the mind of these Protestants. It's not worth it. Those who are truly interested will come to you.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 11:49:20 PM »

The best is to just ignore them and not bother speaking of religion at all. I've been in your boat for a long time and I've tried everything, but the truth of the matter is that nothing is going to change the mind of these Protestants. It's not worth it. Those who are truly interested will come to you.

Don't judge other peoples situations because you weren't successful. There are countless combinations of situations. To say it isn't worth doing..... what do you mean! How is not saving a life not worth it? Live a Christ pleasing life and people will be drawn to it. St. Seraphim of Sarov wasn't joking when he said thousands around you will be saved. You can lovely invite them. A large number of people don't go to Church because they were never invited.

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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 08:28:44 AM »

My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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Throw anathema at them and stay away from heretics. Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:33:51 AM »

My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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Throw anathema at them and stay away from heretics. Cheesy

Ai is not a bishop. Only bishops can throw anathemas.  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 08:40:37 AM »

My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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Throw anathema at them and stay away from heretics. Cheesy

Ai is not a bishop. Only bishops can throw anathemas.  Tongue

You are wrong, i throw them all the time. Grin
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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 08:54:42 AM »

My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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Throw anathema at them and stay away from heretics. Cheesy

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You are wrong, i throw them all the time. Grin

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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 08:58:50 AM »

Al- you seem young to me, but at my age all seem that.
Tell your friend that there are those that met Jesus and they too had issues with Him.
Then drop it.  One does not come to God via reason and argument or even explanation.
Just go about your business, no need to rub a scab, however you live your way in Orthodoxy as best you can, no talking about it (especially The Holy Spirit),
and he will see, come around and ask, then simply invite him to Vespers.
Not much more can be done.
Best of luck and prayers.
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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 01:05:31 PM »

You could try saying, "Oh really?" and ask them to tell you what they know about Orthodoxy and how they know it. Listen with an indulgent smile and occasionally laugh out loud.  angel
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You could try saying, "Oh really?" and ask them to tell you what they know about Orthodoxy and how they know it. Listen with an indulgent smile and occasionally laugh out loud.  angel

This. Do master the indulgent smile. Nothing winds them up like such a subtle display of superiority. angel
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 02:29:35 PM »

My only trouble is dealing with other Christians who don't understand Orthodoxy AT ALL. I have a friend who is now attending a non-denominational church and is telling me that Orthodoxy is just man-made religion and that God can only be found in non-denominational churches. The first thing I learned is that the we know where the Holy Spirit is but we do not know where the Holy Spirit is not. Has anyone ever seen the video I love Jesus but I hate religion? (It's on youtube in case nobody has seen it). This is exactly the type of people Im dealing with. It gets tiring hearing this over and over again. From everything that I have been learning about, nothing my friend says is even true.

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Don't argue with him; don't bait him; don't correct him, etc.  Just let it be.  Your friend is not going to be persuaded and history since it seems that his type of Christianity is rooted in emotions and what "feels right."  Once he sees that you are not going to play his game, maybe he will stop trying to goad you.
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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 03:22:19 PM »

Thank you all so much for your advice! It is greatly appreciated. I spoke to the priest about it and he said it's best to continue living one's life because one knows where salvation is but we don't know where it isn't.

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