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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #225 on: September 17, 2015, 08:55:07 AM »
Well I am not a convert, I was baptized in the church but I left because I find that the history of Christianity to be repulsive and anti knowledge. The bloody history of the church and its dogmatic rule over the masses make me sick to the stomach. The claim that a Jewish man is a God is complete rubbish and illogical. It is Apollo who inspires me and the 12 endless immortal Gods and Heroes who guide me, not some pitiful heretic Jew or some begger saint.
I'm inspired by Rick from The Walking Dead. He is a real badass. He could whup Apollo six ways to sundown.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #226 on: September 17, 2015, 09:39:10 AM »
don't feed the troll folks it a obvious troll I was looking for the bookstore allegelly burned down in Greece and no such thing has happened

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #227 on: September 17, 2015, 12:18:36 PM »
Well I am not a convert, I was baptized in the church but I left because I find that the history of Christianity to be repulsive and anti knowledge. The bloody history of the church and its dogmatic rule over the masses make me sick to the stomach. The claim that a Jewish man is a God is complete rubbish and illogical. It is Apollo who inspires me and the 12 endless immortal Gods and Heroes who guide me, not some pitiful heretic Jew or some begger saint.

In all fairness, to call Jesus a Jew is intellectually dishonest. Not just by definition is it false, but it implies that the faith of the Ancient Hebrews is the same as that of Rabbinical Talmudism which descends from the sect of the Pharisees, which Christ frequently despised and criticized. Now add to that that the New Covenant broke from the original Hebrew faith totally in the first place.

And I thought the pagan/atheist narrative was that Christianity comes from pagan myths? Babylonians and Mithras and all that? Which is it?

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #229 on: September 17, 2015, 02:40:54 PM »
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #230 on: September 18, 2015, 05:32:32 PM »
Well I am not a convert, I was baptized in the church but I left because I find that the history of Christianity to be repulsive and anti knowledge. The bloody history of the church and its dogmatic rule over the masses make me sick to the stomach. The claim that a Jewish man is a God is complete rubbish and illogical. It is Apollo who inspires me and the 12 endless immortal Gods and Heroes who guide me, not some pitiful heretic Jew or some begger saint.

In the "Free-For-All" section of the forum, while you are allowed to be critical of corporate groups and portray beliefs contrary to the Orthodox Church, you are still not allowed to blaspheme against Christ and the saints.  You will receive a non-punitive warning.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #231 on: September 19, 2015, 11:41:43 PM »
At the request of the Global Moderator, this topic has been sent to the Convert Issues Forum. While the Convert Issues forum is to provide a a place on the OC.Net where inquirers, catechumen, and newly converted could ask their questions about the Orthodox Faith in a safe and supportive forum without retribution or recrimination. It is not a place to  blaspheme against Christ and the saints or denigrate the Holy Orthodox Church. On this topic, I must ask that you simply stick to the topic "Former Converts, Why did you leave?" and do not proselytize for pagan or non-orthodox Christian fellowships.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #232 on: October 02, 2015, 07:18:23 PM »
Long hiatus; want to come back, but personal challenges as well as grievances (both genuine or petty and self-serving) regarding different churches have made it difficult.

1. What faith, if any, did you belong to before Orthodoxy?
Not really relevant to me in this context, but background is a mish-mash of Protestant churches. Occasionally reminisce about time spent there.

2. Why did you become Orthodox and how long have you been a member of the Orthodox Church?
Short answer is that the OC, along with other benefits to the4 believer, offered a sort of fundamentalism that revered God and His Word, Holy Scripture, without getting wrapped up in schools of thought I never really understood (Rapture, Creation Science) and maintained stubborn discipline (Right and Wrong) without using it as a self-serving leverage to deck people with.

3, Why did you decide to leave?
Laziness, spiritual malaise, frustration with certain esoteric aspects of the church as well as the ethnocentrism that can be grotesquely prevalent in certain parishes.

4. Did you embrace another religious community and if so, which one and what motivated you?
Not yet; as I stated, my first choice is to return to Holy Orthodox Church in the most effective capacity. Pray for journey as well as my own humility.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #233 on: October 02, 2015, 07:53:55 PM »
Long hiatus; want to come back, but personal challenges as well as grievances (both genuine or petty and self-serving) regarding different churches have made it difficult.

1. What faith, if any, did you belong to before Orthodoxy?
Not really relevant to me in this context, but background is a mish-mash of Protestant churches. Occasionally reminisce about time spent there.

2. Why did you become Orthodox and how long have you been a member of the Orthodox Church?
Short answer is that the OC, along with other benefits to the4 believer, offered a sort of fundamentalism that revered God and His Word, Holy Scripture, without getting wrapped up in schools of thought I never really understood (Rapture, Creation Science) and maintained stubborn discipline (Right and Wrong) without using it as a self-serving leverage to deck people with.

3, Why did you decide to leave?
Laziness, spiritual malaise, frustration with certain esoteric aspects of the church as well as the ethnocentrism that can be grotesquely prevalent in certain parishes.

4. Did you embrace another religious community and if so, which one and what motivated you?
Not yet; as I stated, my first choice is to return to Holy Orthodox Church in the most effective capacity. Pray for journey as well as my own humility.

Lord, have mercy. Coincidentally enough, I was thinking about you earlier. You are in my prayers!

In Christ,
Andrew
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #234 on: October 04, 2015, 07:58:01 PM »
Long hiatus; want to come back, but personal challenges as well as grievances (both genuine or petty and self-serving) regarding different churches have made it difficult.

1. What faith, if any, did you belong to before Orthodoxy?
Not really relevant to me in this context, but background is a mish-mash of Protestant churches. Occasionally reminisce about time spent there.

2. Why did you become Orthodox and how long have you been a member of the Orthodox Church?
Short answer is that the OC, along with other benefits to the4 believer, offered a sort of fundamentalism that revered God and His Word, Holy Scripture, without getting wrapped up in schools of thought I never really understood (Rapture, Creation Science) and maintained stubborn discipline (Right and Wrong) without using it as a self-serving leverage to deck people with.

3, Why did you decide to leave?
Laziness, spiritual malaise, frustration with certain esoteric aspects of the church as well as the ethnocentrism that can be grotesquely prevalent in certain parishes.

4. Did you embrace another religious community and if so, which one and what motivated you?
Not yet; as I stated, my first choice is to return to Holy Orthodox Church in the most effective capacity. Pray for journey as well as my own humility.

Lord, have mercy. Coincidentally enough, I was thinking about you earlier. You are in my prayers!

In Christ,
Andrew

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #235 on: June 05, 2016, 10:03:30 PM »
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #236 on: June 06, 2016, 03:36:48 AM »
It's not mine but one of  my friend in parish
1. What faith, if any, did you belong to before Orthodoxy?
Islam
2. Why did you become Orthodox and how long have you been a member of the Orthodox Church?
Since 2013 for almost 3 years w/o permission to his family.
He converted because he thought he should find another religion which doesn't teach hate as he said.

3, Why did you decide to leave?
'Busted' by his parents about his conversion. He said he is back to his family for Church safety , NOT for his safety.

4. Did you embrace another religious community and if so, which one and what motivated you?
He didn't embrace any other ( I think .  sometime he meets the home-priest outside church.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #237 on: July 15, 2016, 05:05:49 PM »
This is my first post to the forum. I am hopeful I am not posting on too old of a thread. I am returning to Orthodoxy and thought I would share.

1. What faith, if any, did you belong to before Orthodoxy?

I was raised Methodist

2. Why did you become Orthodox and how long have you been a member of the Orthodox Church?

I became Orthodox after marrying a Greek man. It was a teenage and short lived marriage but I am grateful for the introduction to the church. I converted about 21 years ago. I remained in communion for over a decade.

3, Why did you decide to leave?

This is a complex answer, I couldn't fully explain everything without giving a long back story. Sufficive to say I have always been a seeker. I have a tendency to over analyze everything. I began to question religion in general. I began looking for intellectual answers to spiritual questions. I didn't turn out so well.


4. Did you embrace another religious community and if so, which one and what motivated you?

I ran after false gods, any and every religious or philosophical ideology I could find to study.

I found nothing but emptiness, nihilism, mental instability. I kept returning in my mind to Orthodoxy. The only place I had ever felt God in a truly personal sense.
 I always found myself repeating "Lord have mercy" even when I claimed to believe nothing.

 I have no attachments ethnically to Orthodoxy, no one in my life will disapprove or approve.

I had a very violent and tragic thing happen in front of me 2 years ago. The night it happened, I felt the presence of God. I chalked it up to the trauma of the event. But over the last two years my conviction has only become stronger.
 For the last year, I have been living a private repentance.
Just last week I contacted an Orthodox priest about being able to take the steps to be in commune again.


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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #238 on: July 15, 2016, 05:43:24 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Wonder!

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #239 on: March 28, 2020, 01:58:39 PM »
If you don't mind sharing do you embrace an agnostic stance (or atheist)?     
You don't have to answer (of course).  I just want to be more sensitive/respectful...

Many atheists would say that I'm an atheist, but I don't find that I have much in common with what I've read of them, in either methods or conclusions. I guess I'm more agnostic--not the type that believes that questions about God are impossible to find answers for, but more along the lines of my still working on it (and actively working on it--I'm not apathetic/non-interested).
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As I understand it, "Agnosticism" (derived from "No" and "knowing") teaches that one cannot know whether God exists. And an Agnostic is someone who believes that one cannot know whether God exists, and that his/her faith extends only to the point that he/she is aware of this. It's not just that the person is unsure or uncertain or doubting about God's existence but that he/she has a belief that one cannot know if God exists or not.

According to Wikipedia's article on Agnosticism:
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Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."

In order to deal with the issue of uncertainty about religion, I went back to the basics and learned about the earliest beliefs in God. I was impressed how belief in monotheism or henotheism went across cultural divides in the ancient world and it was fascinating to learn about their ancient beliefs in the Supreme Deity. Besides the commonality of belief in God, a persuasive argument was the Hindu analogy of how just as the physical body of a person relates to the person's soul or mind, then since there is a physical world, it follows that there is a supreme being Who also has a mind.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #240 on: March 28, 2020, 02:58:38 PM »
. . . ?

Left after Liturgy.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #241 on: March 28, 2020, 08:13:15 PM »
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #242 on: March 28, 2020, 08:34:11 PM »
There she stood in the doorway
I heard the mission bell
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #243 on: April 02, 2020, 06:06:00 PM »
I encountered some absolutely toxic clergy within ROCOR, who played a big part in destroying my life. That was enough, but the hierarchs didn’t seem to care and took no action when I pursued it. I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority. As an aside, I couldn’t stand any more of the ethnocentrism. Of the nine Orthodox churches in my city, only one, the OCA parish (which is sinking into bankruptcy due to declining attendance), holds services in English. The rest are just community centres for immigrant diasporas, most of which will also fail and close as the second/third generations stop caring about the religion and culture and leave.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #244 on: April 02, 2020, 06:18:12 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #245 on: April 02, 2020, 06:30:47 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Try having a drunk priest give you a brain injury, wreck your marriage, and the Archbishop respond with “tough nuts”, and then you can interject.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #246 on: April 02, 2020, 06:51:41 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Try having a drunk priest give you a brain injury, wreck your marriage, and the Archbishop respond with “tough nuts”, and then you can interject.

Good luck finding any institution without self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #247 on: April 02, 2020, 06:59:53 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
ftfy

Try having a drunk priest give you a brain injury, wreck your marriage, and the Archbishop respond with “tough nuts”, and then you can interject.

Good luck finding any institution without self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.

Staying far away from church has done pretty nicely for me so far.

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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #248 on: April 02, 2020, 07:30:50 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Try having a drunk priest give you a brain injury, wreck your marriage, and the Archbishop respond with “tough nuts”, and then you can interject.

Good luck finding any institution without self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.

Staying far away from church has done pretty nicely for me so far.

That's great.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #249 on: April 02, 2020, 11:17:33 PM »
I have no interest in being a member of any institution with self-righteous hypocrites holding positions of authority.
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Try having a drunk priest give you a brain injury, wreck your marriage, and the Archbishop respond with “tough nuts”, and then you can interject.
I reckon we've all had our share of sorrows, Saxon.  You've had a rough time, but you're bitter, and that is not on anyone else's head but yours.  If you lash out at people here from that place of bitterness, that is your own sin, not your former priest's.  We don't always get to choose the things that happen to us, but we do get to choose how we handle it, and whether or not to grow from it to somewhere better.  That's not usually a smooth path, though.  May God comfort you and have mercy on you.
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Re: Former converts, why did you leave?
« Reply #250 on: April 03, 2020, 04:43:49 PM »
. . . ?

Left after Liturgy.


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