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Sexual Positions in marriage
« on: November 09, 2009, 10:34:31 AM »
I was going to post this in the faith section, but I thought it might be inappropriate since a similar thread in another Orthodox forum was closed >:( .

It said how the Orthodox church only recognizes certain sexual positions between a husband and wife.

So what is the Orthodox position regarding this?
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 10:37:09 AM »
Why was the thread locked?  Can you point me to it?
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 10:39:45 AM »
The only book that I've read that goes over this to some extent is Sex and Society in the World of the Orthodox Slavs, 900-1700 by Eve Levin. There's a limited preview of the book on Google Books if you're interested. :)

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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 10:49:50 AM »
Why was the thread locked?  Can you point me to it?

Okay, I think I have an idea of a possible reason why the thread was locked:

I do not believe we should be discussing this on an internet forum. It is between two married people and maybe their spiritual father.

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And my agreement:
I agree.  What about those younger than the "age of adulthood" (16, 17, 18, ??) who frequent this forum, even just to read threads as unregistered guests?  Such talk as I see on this thread--not that it's not important in its proper context--would strike the parents of children and adolescents as bordering on the pornographic.

My initial response, once again, is that this subject is best discussed between a married couple and their spiritual father, not on an Internet discussion forum.


DISCLAIMER:  I just realized you were talking about another forum, not another board on OC.net.  Mea culpa. :-[  But we did have our own similar situation, as I just pointed out.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 11:08:49 AM »
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My initial response, once again, is that this subject is best discussed between a married couple and their spiritual father, not on an Internet discussion forum.
Their spiritual father? I don't think any couple would go to their spiritual father regarding sex...

Besides, whatever their father says (for eg. sex should be used for expressing love as a tool for marriage instead of for self-pleasure), why can't it be the view of the entire church. I mean, different fathers could say different things.

Btw, the parents should remember God created sex, so I don't see how they would view such talk on a religious board to be "bordering on the pornographic."  And I just don't think it's healthy for a child to be ignorant about sex in general until they reach "the age of adulthood."

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Also, what if certain positions are considered a sin, but they're ignorant of this?
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 11:09:43 AM »
Yah I gota agree with Peter on this one.  the marriage bed is undefiled.  Anything beyond that is up to your spiritual father
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 11:39:23 AM »
I was going to post this in the faith section, but I thought it might be inappropriate since a similar thread in another Orthodox forum was closed >:( .

It said how the Orthodox church only recognizes certain sexual positions between a husband and wife.
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So what is the Orthodox position regarding this?

Said by whom?  Do you have a source for this, preferably a written one?
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 11:41:05 AM »
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Also, what if certain positions are considered a sin, but they're ignorant of this?

I'm afraid the answer of whether this or that position is a sin will vary. In some times and places, anything other than male-dominant positioning, and anything resembling the same way animals go at it, was considered "unnatural". In other words, there was one position and that was it. But it was not like this everywhere, and in all times, and for all people. Thus there is no "this is the official position" answer to the question. So, like PTA said, it's really something that needs to be discussed between the couple in question and whoever it is that they are confessing to.

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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 01:19:08 PM »
Said by whom?  Do you have a source for this, preferably a written one?
Well, it was said by the person who created the topic on that other forum... I have no sources, but that's why I'm asking anyways. http://tasbeha.org/content/community/index.php?topic=8484.0

But I have a side question... do you really think people will go to their spiritual father regarding whether this or that position is a sin?
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 01:46:44 PM »
But I have a side question... do you really think people will go to their spiritual father regarding whether this or that position is a sin?

If they actually want to know the answer, yes.
Obviously there are people who would be reluctant (or completely refuse) to talk about something like that with their confessor; but I'm not really understanding why you think that nobody would do--people take things a lot darker and more personal than 'are there any 'forbidden' sexual positions?' to their spiritual fathers on a regular basis.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 01:55:53 PM »
Wow.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 02:00:19 PM »
Wow.

LoL!  That was the first thing I thought.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 02:03:49 PM »
Wow.

LoL!  That was the first thing I thought.
Haha. It was the only thing I could think.  ;D
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 02:18:38 PM »
You should be ok as long as the position isn't described in the Kama Sutra...I mean, you wouldn't want to have sex like the heathens do, would you? ;)

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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 02:22:50 PM »
You should be ok as long as the position isn't described in the Kama Sutra...I mean, you wouldn't want to have sex like the heathens do, would you? ;)
LOL!!! If I had had a beverage in my mouth I would have just spit it out!
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2009, 03:01:36 PM »
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2009, 03:19:29 PM »
You should be ok as long as the position isn't described in the Kama Sutra...I mean, you wouldn't want to have sex like the heathens do, would you? ;)

 I bet the Netodox could baptize the KS just like they do with Buddhist and Taoist texts.  As long as the man has a beard and his wife's head is covered...   
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2009, 03:42:01 PM »
I believe it was Pope Clement VIII who is claimed to have said of coffee: 'This Satan's drink is delicious...it would be a pity to let the infidels have exclusive use of it. We shall fool Satan by baptizing it.' ;)

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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2009, 03:53:18 PM »
You should be ok as long as the position isn't described in the Kama Sutra...I mean, you wouldn't want to have sex like the heathens do, would you? ;)

Regardless of how silly you may think the question is, I hardly think you're in a position to answer the question "with a straight face" or in a serious manner from the OP's POV/faith background.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2009, 04:04:48 PM »
Said by whom?  Do you have a source for this, preferably a written one?
Well, it was said by the person who created the topic on that other forum... I have no sources, but that's why I'm asking anyways. http://tasbeha.org/content/community/index.php?topic=8484.0
Two comments:
1.  I see that the thread was closed for virtually the same reason I gave the advice I did:  this subject is just not, IMO, an appropriate subject for an online discussion forum.
2.  I see that the Tasbeha forum looks a great deal like OC.net.  But that's beside the point.
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2009, 04:07:54 PM »
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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2009, 04:08:20 PM »
You should be ok as long as the position isn't described in the Kama Sutra...I mean, you wouldn't want to have sex like the heathens do, would you? ;)

Regardless of how silly you may think the question is, I hardly think you're in a position to answer the question "with a straight face" or in a serious manner from the OP's POV/faith background.

Nope, and neither is anyone else; and at least I didn't pretend to. Unlike some of the other fringe opinions related to biological functions and reproduction discussed on this forum, on this matter not only is there no consensus, there isn't even a well-developed discussion within the construct of patristics. Any possible references would be to a very small smattering of individual and not widely distributed opinions. Being a matter of discipline, proper answers to these questions would have to fall under the category of canon law and while my expertise may be in Late Roman family and ecclesiastical law, I believe I can objectively say that I am well enough acquainted with the discipline to know that one will simply not find well defined, much less universally accepted, answers to the question...as originally requested in the OP. So, ultimately, my tongue-in-cheek response was just as serious as any honest attempt to answer the question even has the possibility of being.

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Re: Sexual Positions in marriage
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2009, 04:09:33 PM »
I'm locking this because I highly doubt that the OP will a) receive an answer and b) as moderator of this sub-forum, it is my duty to keep things tidy.  IMO, no good can come of this thread, so it is hereby locked.

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