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Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« on: January 14, 2015, 11:57:33 PM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 12:08:24 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 12:31:17 AM »
Is this something you will be doing soon, or is there some more time to look around comfortably yet? Also, are you asking for more practical tips or guidelines, or the larger spiritual ideas that might be involved? Regarding the latter, anyway, one to start might be the 19th Homily of St. John Chrysostom on Ephesians.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 12:40:13 AM »
Looking up patristic commentary on St. Paul's "redeeming the time" might bear some fruit?
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 01:50:05 AM »
Is this something you will be doing soon, or is there some more time to look around comfortably yet? Also, are you asking for more practical tips or guidelines, or the larger spiritual ideas that might be involved? Regarding the latter, anyway, one to start might be the 19th Homily of St. John Chrysostom on Ephesians.

Either or...it's very open it seems...I was told the new semester is starting, perhaps they need to learn about time management.  So I'm researching it now.

Thank you for the homily link. I'll definitely take a look.

Porter, thank you for the suggestion. Great idea!

This is due by the 23rd. So I got time. (No pun intended)
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 03:44:15 PM »
i had a quick look at the link, it's great!
i love saint john chrysostom!
he was given very much wisdom by God in interpreting the Bible, and he preaches with very much love.

the other thing i would suggest you do is to explain to them that they don't have to follow the modern business
concepts of time management that are popular in developed countries - that is being maximally efficient.
that leads to selfishness and greed.

instead, deliberately leave extra time on you way to work / other places and travel more slowly, being open to
every opportunity to do good and learn from those who are also on the road.
you can smile at a neighbour, pick something up that an old person dropped, smell a flower,
point out the lovely sunrise to the man on the bus, let a car driver pull out in front of you,
let your colleague help you with a heavy bag etc. etc.

if you are maximally efficient, you may shut out others around you on your journey through life.
so learn from the depth and beauty of God's love and take / waste time on loving everyone you meet.

this is something i learned by taking time to observe how the more spiritual people around me go through their day.

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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2015, 08:05:04 PM »
So I mainly used two sources for my lecture:

http://www.bogoslov.ru/en/text/2668945.html

http://oca.org/resource-handbook/theology/time-management-an-orthodox-perspective

St. John Chrysostom was essentially not much different from Dr. Albert Rossi's more in-depth discussion.  I used a lot of other resources, but I think these two sites were excellent to use along with some wisdom from the desert fathers.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 06:52:26 AM »
wow, interesting sites!
and the advice here matches what i have observed in some people's lives that i admire.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2015, 08:12:10 AM »
Time management is for a real job and a working career.  :laugh:
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2015, 08:19:27 AM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2015, 04:11:33 PM »
Time management is for a real job and a working career.  :laugh:

if you look at those links, (the second one is best, well, it is the shortest!)
then you will see that this Christian orthodox concept of time management is for anyone,
you don't have to have a job.

it's about giving each day to God and about being ready to reach out to those around you with God's love,
not just rush from one thing to another.
it's about not wasting too much time on the computer when you could be reading the Bible or a spiritual book.
it's about praying before everything and humbly accepting life in God.

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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2015, 10:26:46 PM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.

This has to do with what?  ???
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 12:31:25 AM »
Time management is for a real job and a working career.  :laugh:

if you look at those links, (the second one is best, well, it is the shortest!)
then you will see that this Christian orthodox concept of time management is for anyone,
you don't have to have a job.

it's about giving each day to God and about being ready to reach out to those around you with God's love,
not just rush from one thing to another.
it's about not wasting too much time on the computer when you could be reading the Bible or a spiritual book.
it's about praying before everything and humbly accepting life in God.

The nice thing is that it does fit will with the other one.  Time as "chalice of eternity" does involve using time for the glory of God, to fill it with God just as our chalices are filled with the eternal and life-giving blood of our Lord.  I think putting those two together does make for a great lecture for those who do want to understand the meaning of time and the meaning of the misnomer of "time management".

The homily by St. John Chrysostom pretty much summarizes that time does not belong to us but to God, and that we should not feel inconvenienced at inconveniences, but to be prepared to sacrifice all our time to God.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 11:24:11 PM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.

This has to do with what?  ???

12 hours of daylight is the workday.

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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2015, 12:26:39 AM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.

This has to do with what?  ???

12 hours of daylight is the workday.

Not necessarily. Not everybody works for twelve hours at a time.

Again, what does that have to do with anything?
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 12:49:43 AM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.

This has to do with what?  ???

12 hours of daylight is the workday.

Not necessarily. Not everybody works for twelve hours at a time.

Again, what does that have to do with anything?

Time Management = watches,clocks,timers,calendars,sundials etc.
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Re: Time Management and Patristics/Orthodoxy
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 12:57:01 AM »
Hello all!

I'm asked to give a talk on time management to undergraduate youth (I'm the worst person to give it) :P

In any case, I've been doing a search, basically on Ancient Faith Radio and some other sites, and I think I have an idea what to talk about (and most probably to learn best for myself).  But I have a favor to ask all of you lovely folks.  Do you happen to know perhaps a patristic lesson on "Time Management" (EO or OO)?  If not, what about contemporary Orthodox theologians on the subject (EO or OO)?

I appreciate all the help!  Thank you!

Ancient/Old Rome used Sundials to measure daylight.

This has to do with what?  ???

12 hours of daylight is the workday.

Not necessarily. Not everybody works for twelve hours at a time.

Again, what does that have to do with anything?

Time Management = watches,clocks,timers,calendars,sundials etc.

Those are methods of time *measurement.* Time *management* is a different thing.
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