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« Reply #855 on: August 24, 2011, 12:38:28 PM »

Point is, if we're reading about things that happened, I want to read about things that happened, not just coy hints and winks from an author or director.

What's a coy hint? The Bible says Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him, it doesn't need to describe every pelvic thrust.

That story is rich. Gotta know your genres to make sense of that one.

I got drunk and my daughters raped me . . .

I don't know which genre it would be intended as, other than as an attempted explanation of the iniquity of Ammon and Moab. I have a hard time believing Peter would actually call Lot a righteous man if he really did rape his own daughters, that far dwarfs any other Patriarchal wrong-doing.

Noah did have sex with his son.
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« Reply #856 on: August 24, 2011, 12:45:41 PM »

Hm, why not? How would you explain some of the more salacious aspects, so to speak?

I mean, I guess there is a basic way to explain it. I knew about the woman being stoned for adultery and I kind of knew what adultery was, but I didn't look too in-depth into the Bible at a young age.

I knew as a kid that Noah had sex with his son, Lot had sex with his daughters. David killed a man to have his wife. David doubled up on the foreskins to present Saul as a prize for his daughter. Solomon . . .

Pretty graphic that scene.

Hey and God kills infants en masse for the decision, wait not really a decision, because God hardened the heart of one man.


Etc.  

Pretty much everything in the Bible was quite clear. But I didn't go to a "Sunday School" church. We read the Bible. And we weren't Puritans. Weird as crazy as it was, the one thing we weren't wasn't Puritanical nor prudish.

EDIT: But I think people were open about this because it wasn't far from most folks' home lives. //:=)
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« Reply #857 on: August 24, 2011, 01:02:22 PM »

Point is, if we're reading about things that happened, I want to read about things that happened, not just coy hints and winks from an author or director.

What's a coy hint? The Bible says Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him, it doesn't need to describe every pelvic thrust.

That story is rich. Gotta know your genres to make sense of that one.

I got drunk and my daughters raped me . . .

I don't know which genre it would be intended as, other than as an attempted explanation of the iniquity of Ammon and Moab. I have a hard time believing Peter would actually call Lot a righteous man if he really did rape his own daughters, that far dwarfs any other Patriarchal wrong-doing.

Noah did have sex with his son.
He was drunk and Ham started it. He was also pretty angry afterward.



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« Reply #858 on: August 24, 2011, 01:05:29 PM »

Point is, if we're reading about things that happened, I want to read about things that happened, not just coy hints and winks from an author or director.

What's a coy hint? The Bible says Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him, it doesn't need to describe every pelvic thrust.

That story is rich. Gotta know your genres to make sense of that one.

I got drunk and my daughters raped me . . .

I don't know which genre it would be intended as, other than as an attempted explanation of the iniquity of Ammon and Moab. I have a hard time believing Peter would actually call Lot a righteous man if he really did rape his own daughters, that far dwarfs any other Patriarchal wrong-doing.

Noah did have sex with his son.
He was drunk and Ham started it. He was also pretty angry afterward.



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« Reply #859 on: August 24, 2011, 01:07:08 PM »

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« Reply #860 on: August 24, 2011, 10:40:38 PM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.
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« Reply #861 on: August 24, 2011, 10:59:57 PM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?
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« Reply #862 on: August 25, 2011, 12:17:29 AM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?

Not bad, I suppose. I what thinking more of Count Dracula, Christopher Lee style. Wink
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« Reply #863 on: August 25, 2011, 12:24:33 AM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?

Not bad, I suppose. I what thinking more of Count Dracula, Christopher Lee style. Wink

I will admit he has a sexy voice.
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« Reply #864 on: August 25, 2011, 12:48:03 AM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?

Not bad, I suppose. I what thinking more of Count Dracula, Christopher Lee style. Wink

I will admit he has a sexy voice.

Lovely English voice. And he's the proto bad-boy vamp!  laugh
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« Reply #865 on: August 25, 2011, 12:56:08 AM »

You all make me sick.

This > than all things else vampirage:



Cutting edge TV. One of the best non-cable TV series ever. Broke many rules on TV which other shows just merely toy with.


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« Reply #866 on: August 25, 2011, 01:42:00 AM »

You all make me sick.


We are cool that way. Wink
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« Reply #867 on: August 25, 2011, 02:04:03 AM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?

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« Reply #868 on: August 25, 2011, 02:45:00 AM »

^^ Someone's completely missed the point of vampiric immortality.  laugh

Watched the Eagle the other night. Wasn't bad. Was up at Hadrian's Wall a few weeks ago. Fabulously interesting!

Pirates of the Carribean #4. Why did they bother? Was kind of excited to see that the scene with King George was actually filmed at Hampton Court Palace! After that I lost interest completely.
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« Reply #869 on: August 25, 2011, 12:16:11 PM »

Priest = disgustingly uninteresting vamps and utter boredom. I definitely prefer a more seductive vamp.

Team Edward?

Not bad, I suppose. I what thinking more of Count Dracula, Christopher Lee style. Wink

I will admit he has a sexy voice.

C'mon, you are from Oz, he has nothing on you!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #870 on: August 25, 2011, 01:15:56 PM »


So it must be offensive to be artistic? Not gonna buy into that my friend. I always say that any message or story can be creatively portrayed in a manner that is suitable for children. If an artist has to use profanity, nudity, vulgarity, and gore to convey his point, then he is a poor artist indeed. And sadly, or society is rife with very poor artists. But that doesn't mean we have to settle for the garbage they produce. T

I guess the Lives of the Saints is beneath your artistic level. (Or is it perhaps above it?)


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I don't mean to pick on you, my friend, but I've always thought about this.

The Bible itself, as well as the history of the Church, has stories that I wouldn't consider "Child-friendly" at all.

Yes, companies do abridge the Bible and put it in terms that younger children can understand and appreciate, but I think is fine for them. I

But I've wondered whether we, as adults, should ourselves seek the "child-friendly" route. We can read the Bible. We read literature that isn't always "appropriate." Of course it isn't kosher to love vulgarity, but watching sugar-coated stories about real-life events that were much more raw, tragic, etc., comes off as so false. I'd rather not watch any movies than have to watch the stuff that is put out by today's evangelical Christian market (I don't know of the movie you're talking about, so I am not being specific here).

I used to be surrounded by adults who would ooh and ahh over movies like Fireproof and One Night With the King (awful, really). I really don't understand it myself. I think that we could use to inject some more reality in movies, not just what Focus on the Family happens to find appropriate at any given time.

But I also understand the critique that we shouldn't necessarily be wanting more sex, vulgar language, etc. in movies. I happen to stand on the other side of that, though.


The Bible will offend everyone, as the Truth always does. But there is righteous way to convey the Truth, and I doubt if any Orhtodox Christian will accuse the prophets and apostles of conveying their message in an unrighteous manner.

There is a huge difference between the way Dostoevsky conveys dark and disturbing realities and the way Hollywood typically does. Dostoevsky was an artist, and he didn't need to graphically describe sexual acts and body parts in a salacious manner. He didn't need to have his characters curse profusely in order to make us realize they were reprobate. True artists don't have to sugar coat anything, but neither do they have to be gratuitous in order to convey their message. It's called creativity, of which there is a dearth in our current society.


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You are good at framing debate where no one was talking.

Not fair enough.

You have your emotional and idiosyncratic axes to grind.

That is fine. Just don't go looking for them in hands where they ain't.

And really given your recent list of thinkers you hold in esteem and taste in film, I'll pass on your aesthetic judgement.

Yeah, the Bible: incestual, homosexual rape? But hey it is the truth. And I knew what I was reading when I was kid when I read it.

The Bible would be rated NC-17 if it were filmed true to form.


Gosh my friend, whose got the axe to grind here? Why all the venom in your comments to me? We can have an amicable discussion even in disagreement can't we?  Huh


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You should hear how I talk to my friends. It is much worse. And I ain't the one throwing insults. That would you telling me about my ivory tower.

This is called internetz polemics.

This ain't venom, this is lightweight.

You aren't used to being called out on your poor use of rhetoric. Put "Selam" after you misconstrue what someone says and toss in a personal jab and all is OK? Fine by me. But show me where I am wrong.

You are a moving target. You argue with someone about something they have said.

And for some reason OC.net hasn't saved any of my drafts this morning. I had some real zingers about MLK.

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« Reply #871 on: August 25, 2011, 01:19:21 PM »

Mary and  Max - best flm I've seen for a long time.
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« Reply #872 on: August 25, 2011, 03:23:57 PM »

En Ganske Snill Mann - A Somewhat Gentle Man starring Stellan Skarsgård (aka Dr. Erik Selvig in Thor/The Avengers)

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« Reply #873 on: September 08, 2011, 03:30:40 AM »

Big Wednesday

I stumbled across this one on Netflix. A wonderful movie with the best surfing footage I've ever seen. Awesome stuff!



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« Reply #874 on: September 09, 2011, 09:04:25 AM »

Point is, if we're reading about things that happened, I want to read about things that happened, not just coy hints and winks from an author or director.

What's a coy hint? The Bible says Lot's daughters got him drunk and raped him, it doesn't need to describe every pelvic thrust.

That story is rich. Gotta know your genres to make sense of that one.

I got drunk and my daughters raped me . . .

I don't know which genre it would be intended as, other than as an attempted explanation of the iniquity of Ammon and Moab. I have a hard time believing Peter would actually call Lot a righteous man if he really did rape his own daughters, that far dwarfs any other Patriarchal wrong-doing.

Noah did have sex with his son.
He was drunk and Ham started it. He was also pretty angry afterward.



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Just as a note, that is a very unsubstantial interpretation.

Origen seemed to believe that Ham simply mocked his father for being drunk and naked and that was a sacrilege.
Modern interpretations point to some passages in the OT where the phrase used in that passage is used euphemistically to refer to having sex to a man's wife, thus Ham would have commited incest with his mother and not with Noah.

I'm with Origen on this. The text does not lend itself to such perversions without *large* leaps of interpretation and I really don't like the tabloid  interpretations many scholars use for the Bible, always looking for the most perverted scandal they could imagine based on the faintest evidence.
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« Reply #875 on: September 16, 2011, 12:14:29 AM »

I'm watching 9th Company again.  Right now the Muj are overrunning the base.  Great film.  Russian Full Metal Jacket.  Down to boot camp.
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« Reply #876 on: September 16, 2011, 12:17:32 AM »

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« Reply #877 on: September 16, 2011, 12:02:23 PM »

Based on a conversation from another thread I want to see Woodie Allen's "The Front" again. It's about the Red Scare in the 1950's. Zero Mostel is in it and gives the best performance of his career I think.

 Several of the people who appear in the film, including Mostel were hauled in front of the House Un-American Activities Committee in real life and were blacklisted ( they couldn't work in Hollywood for many years).

Here's a clip.. Warning.. He drops the F bomb.

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« Reply #878 on: September 16, 2011, 07:31:38 PM »

Last night Cecil B Demilles' "King of Kings" from 1927.


Tonight "Rasputin" with Alan Rickman.
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« Reply #879 on: September 17, 2011, 02:02:12 PM »

THOR, THOR, THOR, THOR, THOR again, THOR, THOR.  Grin
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« Reply #880 on: September 19, 2011, 11:28:35 PM »

Just watched Ingredients with husby (my stupid nickname for him -- I think I'll use it here, too).

We just got Netflix a month ago, and we finally accomplished it. I KNEW we were going to get the "Critically Acclaimed Cerebral Documentaries" category eventually, because we are so hipster and watch food/environmentalist/political documentaries all the time. The other one is something about comedy, so we're not totally lost causes.  angel
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« Reply #881 on: September 20, 2011, 08:30:39 AM »

Was gonna stick this in the Sports thread since a sports film was brought up.

Decided it would get more attention here. And I hope its gets your attention //:=)



If I ain't playing or I ain't gotta alotta scratch on a game, I don't care about sports, especially when boxing died.

But in terms of sport films . . .

Two of my favorite movies:

Forget MLK and the rest, this man did more to move more racists in this country to love a black man. He was the you-know many hated to love. Charisma, grace, looks, power, wit, the man was who any man in his right mind would want to be:



Saw it on the big screen and DVD. The DVD ending made the film even more heart warming / breaking. No need to be a boxing fan for this. Just as much a story about good old George Foreman as Mike.

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The Man everyone kid I grew up with wanted to be. Shocking film. Was blown away. Nothing I expected. Don't have to enjoy boxing nor like the man. Probably the greatest, sorry Ali, of all time. He is one of those names who gets named among the greatest in their field and yet remains under-appreciated. The next time I hear someone call him a great "puncher", they are likely to get knocked out. He was boxing.


The eloquence of this film is staggering. Mike has a unique and incredibly interesting voice, literally and figuratively. A fine, fine story teller. Perhaps not one of the most truthful accounts of a life, but certainly one of the most honest. A quiet and meditative film on a life of sound and fury which shows sound and fury indeed can signify much in the end in the most surprising of ways.




If you watch either of these films and you ain't moved or don't appreciate the sheer brilliance of story telling here, we have no reason to speak to each other.

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« Reply #882 on: September 20, 2011, 01:06:22 PM »

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« Reply #883 on: September 20, 2011, 04:35:24 PM »

Just recently saw The Lark Farm on Netflix streaming, very powerful movie about an Armenian family during the genocide.
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« Reply #884 on: September 20, 2011, 05:44:07 PM »

"The Queen's Sister" I caught this piece of fluff on cable the other day. Lucy Cohu does a good job as Mrs. Windsor's kid sister:

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« Reply #885 on: September 20, 2011, 05:44:37 PM »

Netflix shipped us Gran Torino. Maybe I'll be able to watch it when my Chinese teacher stops giving us quizzes every day.
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« Reply #886 on: September 20, 2011, 05:46:21 PM »

"The Queen's Sister" I caught this piece of fluff on cable the other day. Lucy Cohu does a good job as Mrs. Windsor's kid sister:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXFHOv2eoM

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« Reply #887 on: September 20, 2011, 05:51:52 PM »

Netflix shipped us Gran Torino. Maybe I'll be able to watch it when my Chinese teacher stops giving us quizzes every day.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

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« Reply #888 on: September 20, 2011, 07:04:21 PM »

From what little of it I've seen, that's probably a good idea. LOL.
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Netflix shipped us Gran Torino. Maybe I'll be able to watch it when my Chinese teacher stops giving us quizzes every day.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

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« Reply #890 on: September 20, 2011, 10:25:24 PM »

Was gonna stick this in the Sports thread since a sports film was brought up.

Decided it would get more attention here. And I hope its gets your attention //:=)



If I ain't playing or I ain't gotta alotta scratch on a game, I don't care about sports, especially when boxing died.

But in terms of sport films . . .

Two of my favorite movies:

Forget MLK and the rest, this man did more to move more racists in this country to love a black man. He was the you-know many hated to love. Charisma, grace, looks, power, wit, the man was who any man in his right mind would want to be:



Saw it on the big screen and DVD. The DVD ending made the film even more heart warming / breaking. No need to be a boxing fan for this. Just as much a story about good old George Foreman as Mike.

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The Man everyone kid I grew up with wanted to be. Shocking film. Was blown away. Nothing I expected. Don't have to enjoy boxing nor like the man. Probably the greatest, sorry Ali, of all time. He is one of those names who gets named among the greatest in their field and yet remains under-appreciated. The next time I hear someone call him a great "puncher", they are likely to get knocked out. He was boxing.


The eloquence of this film is staggering. Mike has a unique and incredibly interesting voice, literally and figuratively. A fine, fine story teller. Perhaps not one of the most truthful accounts of a life, but certainly one of the most honest. A quiet and meditative film on a life of sound and fury which shows sound and fury indeed can signify much in the end in the most surprising of ways.




If you watch either of these films and you ain't moved or don't appreciate the sheer brilliance of story telling here, we have no reason to speak to each other.




TYSON was a good documentary. I always had a soft spot in my heart for him. There's no doubt in my mind that the rape charge was bogus. I can't imagine the anger he must have felt at suffering such an injutice, especially considering the harships he endured growing up. But he also brought alot of pain upon himself due to bad choices and destructive habits; yet that sums up many of us. As for his boxing prowess, yes he was more than just a great puncher. He was a student of the sweet science and worked hard to hone his boxing skills. However, he was nowhere close to Ali, and I think Ali would have dispensed with him just as he did Sonny Liston. Tyson's opponents were nowhere near the caliber of Ali's. But Tyson is definitely one of the top ten heavyweights, maybe one of the top 5.

I couldn't see what the Ali movie was. Was it the Will Smith one? If so, that was alright. But the ultimate Ali movie is "When We Were Kings," which is a wonderful documentary focused around the Rumble in the Jungle. I cry every time I watch it. An incredible movie about an incredible human being. There are two people whose names and images are recognized by people in every country of every continent in the world: Muhammad Ali and Bob Marley. That's greatness!


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« Reply #891 on: September 20, 2011, 11:07:38 PM »

When We Were Kings

Awesome film. The DVD ending is challenge someone not to crying during.

Never Will Smith.

Weird you couldn't see the graphic.

Won't get into the Ali vs. Tyson debate.
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« Reply #892 on: September 20, 2011, 11:12:32 PM »

Won't get into the Ali vs. Tyson debate.

Because there isn't one. Ali is/was the greatest fighter of all time.

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Won't get into the Ali vs. Tyson debate.

Because there isn't one. Ali is/was the greatest fighter of all time.





Yep!



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« Reply #895 on: September 20, 2011, 11:31:13 PM »

When We Were Kings

Awesome film. The DVD ending is challenge someone not to crying during.



Yeah, like I said, I cry every time I watch it. One of my favorite things about the film is watching the footage of Don King's face go from a cheesy grin to a scowl in a nano-second when he enters the ring immediately after the fight was over. He was approaching Ali all ready to exploit his heroic victory, and Ali obviously looked him dead in the eye and said something that really humiliated him. If I ever meet Ali, I'm going to ask him what he said to Don King at that moment. I imagine it was something along the lines of what he said to Ernie Terrell.  Wink



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I needed that!  Never gets old.  Grin



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« Reply #897 on: September 20, 2011, 11:55:48 PM »

When We Were Kings

Awesome film. The DVD ending is challenge someone not to crying during.



Yeah, like I said, I cry every time I watch it. One of my favorite things about the film is watching the footage of Don King's face go from a cheesy grin to a scowl in a nano-second when he enters the ring immediately after the fight was over. He was approaching Ali all ready to exploit his heroic victory, and Ali obviously looked him dead in the eye and said something that really humiliated him. If I ever meet Ali, I'm going to ask him what he said to Don King at that moment. I imagine it was something along the lines of what he said to Ernie Terrell.  Wink



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For me the real subject in the end is Foreman. He under goes a ridiculous degree of character development. When he helps Ali to receive the award after seeing how mean and hard hearted he was . . .

George's quiet story told in the background of the brash and brilliance of Ali is what breaks and thus opens my heart.
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« Reply #898 on: September 21, 2011, 03:11:58 AM »

When We Were Kings

Awesome film. The DVD ending is challenge someone not to crying during.



Yeah, like I said, I cry every time I watch it. One of my favorite things about the film is watching the footage of Don King's face go from a cheesy grin to a scowl in a nano-second when he enters the ring immediately after the fight was over. He was approaching Ali all ready to exploit his heroic victory, and Ali obviously looked him dead in the eye and said something that really humiliated him. If I ever meet Ali, I'm going to ask him what he said to Don King at that moment. I imagine it was something along the lines of what he said to Ernie Terrell.  Wink



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For me the real subject in the end is Foreman. He under goes a ridiculous degree of character development. When he helps Ali to receive the award after seeing how mean and hard hearted he was . . .

George's quiet story told in the background of the brash and brilliance of Ali is what breaks and thus opens my heart.



No doubt. George Foreman is a wonderful person, and I have so much respect for him. Ali's relationship with Joe Frasier was deeply strained for many years, and I must admit it was mostly due to Ali's behavior. But I think in the end, almost everyone that had a profound encounter with Ali was the better for it. Sonny Liston was certainly a tragic exception. But we must not forget that there would be no Ali without Foreman, Frasier, and the other exceptional fighters whose character and skill provided indellible moments in the ring and transformative stories outside of it.


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« Reply #899 on: September 23, 2011, 10:38:46 PM »

Netflix shipped us Gran Torino. Maybe I'll be able to watch it when my Chinese teacher stops giving us quizzes every day.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

(P.S. - Don't watch this movie with your Chinese teacher.)

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