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Hello,

I am Roman Catholic and will be visiting local Orthodox parishes very soon.  I am interested in Christian history from an Orthodox point of view.  I am particularly interested in something dealing with the various heresies battled in the Eastern Churches and in the Schism with the Latin Church.  I have heard all about these issues from the Western perspective but I need to understand them from the Eastern perspective.

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

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« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 10:14:13 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"
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« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:42:15 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church.  I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob
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« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:13:18 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church.  I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob

Christianity began in the East, all of the councils which defined orthodoxy (by which I mean all orthodoxy, not just the Eastern Church,) were in the East. Also, the Western Church has just as many heresies, the Hussites, the Lollards, the Fraticelli, the Cathars and a whole lot of others.

Also, don't we remember what happened under Rome's watch... some 500 years ago? I would recommend the book I'm reading Christianity the First Three Thousand Years, which deals with the Western and Eastern Churches, undivided and divided, and the Protestant Reformation. It's written by a non-Christian and it's pretty comprehensive despite that.

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« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 11:17:51 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church. I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob

Christianity began in the East, all of the councils which defined Orthodoxy were in the East. Also, the Western Church has just as many heresies, the Hussites, the Lollards, the Fraticelli, the Cathars and a whole lot of others.

Also, don't we remember what happened under Rome's watch... some 500 years ago?



I suppose you failed to read this, "I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time ..." that I posted in my response that you quoted.  It is very important to read the response that you are quoting and respond appropriately or you end up looking very foolish, which is exactly what you have accomplished.
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« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 11:18:14 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church.  I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob

Well, keep in mind that heresies also ran roughshod in the West (or at least large portions of it) during the same era. "Spanish Adoptionism" (quasi-Nestorian) was one. The Schism of the Three Chapters is another (which again involved quasi-Nestorianism). Donatism is considered Western as well; its adherents spoke Latin and persisted at least until the Islamic invasion of North Africa.
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« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 11:21:42 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church. I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob

Christianity began in the East, all of the councils which defined Orthodoxy were in the East. Also, the Western Church has just as many heresies, the Hussites, the Lollards, the Fraticelli, the Cathars and a whole lot of others.

Also, don't we remember what happened under Rome's watch... some 500 years ago?



I suppose you failed to read this, "I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time ..." that I posted in my response that you quoted.  It is very important to read the response that you are quoting and respond appropriately or you end up looking very foolish, which is exactly what you have accomplished.

I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.
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I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.

Obviously you are so convinced that you have yet to convert despite the fact that you've been on the forum long enough to amass over 4,100 post.  Since this is a BOOK review forum and that is what I asked for suggestions for, what book or books do you suggest?
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 11:28:38 PM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"

Hi Truthseeker32,

Thank you for the book suggestions.  I am particularly interested in Pellikan's series, the book by Metropolitan Alfeyev's book and McGuckin's book.  They appear to be comprehensive treatments of the subject I am interested in.  I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.

I don't know if you're a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, or not but, coming from the Latin Church, one of the things that is always pointed to, when trying to invalidate the Orthodox Church's claim to being the One, True, church that our Lord founded are the heresies that erupted in the Eastern Church.  It has been purported to me that for most of the first millennium the Eastern Church was is schism from the Western Church because of the numerous heresies that ran roughshod through the Eastern Church.  I do not wish to engage in a discussion of the validity of these claims at this time but do want to read for myself, the Eastern Christian point of view, about this time in Christian history.  Don't worry about suggesting difficult material because I have a master's degree in geology and work in the field of science.  In other words, I am quite used to reading complex materials.

Thank you again for suggesting these authors and their works.

Rob

Well, keep in mind that heresies also ran roughshod in the West (or at least large portions of it) during the same era. "Spanish Adoptionism" (quasi-Nestorian) was one. The Schism of the Three Chapters is another (which again involved quasi-Nestorianism). Donatism is considered Western as well; its adherents spoke Latin and persisted at least until the Islamic invasion of North Africa.

Um, I asked for a book recommendation and specifically one or more that pertained to the Eastern Church.  Do you have a suggested work?
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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 11:38:46 PM »

I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.

Obviously you are so convinced that you have yet to convert despite the fact that you've been on the forum long enough to amass over 4,100 post.  Since this is a BOOK review forum and that is what I asked for suggestions for, what book or books do you suggest?

Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years written by a non-Christian, about the whole history of Christianity.
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 11:46:19 PM »

I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.

Obviously you are so convinced that you have yet to convert despite the fact that you've been on the forum long enough to amass over 4,100 post.  Since this is a BOOK review forum and that is what I asked for suggestions for, what book or books do you suggest?

Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years written by a non-Christian, about the whole history of Christianity.

As I stated earlier in this thread, again...reading earlier posts is important to the continuity of any thread, I am specifically interested in an EASTERN Christian point of view about the various heresies and schism that occurred in Christian East prior to the Great Schism.  There, I've stated my interest at least twice.  Perhaps it is now clear.  I am not interested in a work of history dealing with the entirety of Christian history.
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 11:52:11 PM »

I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.

Obviously you are so convinced that you have yet to convert despite the fact that you've been on the forum long enough to amass over 4,100 post.  Since this is a BOOK review forum and that is what I asked for suggestions for, what book or books do you suggest?

Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years written by a non-Christian, about the whole history of Christianity.

As I stated earlier in this thread, again...reading earlier posts is important to the continuity of any thread, I am specifically interested in an EASTERN Christian point of view about the various heresies and schism that occurred in Christian East prior to the Great Schism.  There, I've stated my interest at least twice.  Perhaps it is now clear.  I am not interested in a work of history dealing with the entirety of Christian history.

I'm a pauper, that's all I've got to offer.
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 12:00:39 AM »

I wasn't discussing the validity of any claim, I was just showing that it had no merit.

Obviously you are so convinced that you have yet to convert despite the fact that you've been on the forum long enough to amass over 4,100 post.  Since this is a BOOK review forum and that is what I asked for suggestions for, what book or books do you suggest?

Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years written by a non-Christian, about the whole history of Christianity.

As I stated earlier in this thread, again...reading earlier posts is important to the continuity of any thread, I am specifically interested in an EASTERN Christian point of view about the various heresies and schism that occurred in Christian East prior to the Great Schism.  There, I've stated my interest at least twice.  Perhaps it is now clear.  I am not interested in a work of history dealing with the entirety of Christian history.

I'm a pauper, that's all I've got to offer.

So, really your only contribution this thread, in which I requested suggestions for books dealing with the EASTERN Christian point of view on the heresies originating in the EASTERN Church, was to post a map of illustrating the lands of the Protestant Reformation and the title of a book that does not pertain to what I asked about written by a man who is not even a Christian, let alone an EASTERN Christian!?!  Classic example of responding to a thread for absolutely no reason with absolutely nothing valuable to add.

You really didn't need to contribute.  Truthseeker32 had it all covered in his first response to my original post.
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« Reply #13 on: Today at 12:05:50 AM »

Hello,

I am Roman Catholic and will be visiting local Orthodox parishes very soon.  I am interested in Christian history from an Orthodox point of view.  I am particularly interested in something dealing with the various heresies battled in the Eastern Churches and in the Schism with the Latin Church.  I have heard all about these issues from the Western perspective but I need to understand them from the Eastern perspective.

Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Rob

Some pre-schism heresies are covered by Fr. John Romanides at the Romanity web site.
http://www.romanity.org/cont.htm#roman

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« Reply #14 on: Today at 12:19:22 AM »

As an historian (I am currently finishing my MA in church history) I recommend Jaroslav Pelikan's "The Christian Tradition" series and JND Kelly's "Early Christian Doctrines."

As an Orthodox Christian I recommend Met. Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church," Met. Hilarion Alfeyev's "Orthodox Christianity Volume I: The History and Canonical Structure of the Orthodox Church," and John McGuckin's "The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to its History, Doctrine, and Spiritual Culture"
If you don't mind my asking, where do you go to school? I've thought about perusing a degree in Church History.
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I'll second the recommendation for Met Kallistos (Timothy) Ware's The Orthodox Church. The first section of the book is a pretty good run-down of Orthodox history. If you can find them, I'd also highly recommend Fr Georges Florovsky's writings on Church history.
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I'll second the recommendation for Met Kallistos (Timothy) Ware's The Orthodox Church. The first section of the book is a pretty good run-down of Orthodox history.

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I have read Metropolitan Ware's book and found it to be too much of a high "fly over" on the topics I am interested in.
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« Reply #17 on: Today at 03:17:26 AM »

OP, you should ask Monachos.net as well.
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« Reply #18 on: Today at 05:30:44 AM »

I would recommend:

Byzantine Christianity: Emperor, Church and the West

by Harry J. Magoulias


ISBN 13: 9780814317051

ISBN 10: 0814317057

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Detroit, Michigan, U.s.a.: Wayne State Univ Pr, 1982



This is a most concise & substantive little book (less than 200 pp.) covering the period from Constantine to the fall of Constantinople in 1453. The main 4 sections include: Byzantine Christianity (BC) & the Imperial Cult, BC & the heresies, BC & mysticism, & BC & the west. It was actually written in 1971 originally published by Rand McNally, Lib of Congress Catalog # 70-75615. It might not be easy to find though & there is little online info re it.
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