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What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« on: March 22, 2010, 12:05:43 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 12:23:29 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

I'm hesitant to answer, only because I'm trying to understand the point of your question.

Today, being Egyptian holds a genetic diversity similar to saying "being American."  Sometimes some Egyptians look very Mediterranean, i.e. share similar features with Greeks and Italians, and some Egyptians seem to share features with Arabs, and then you have the more African/part African (i.e. darker skin, coarse hair, etc.) looking Egyptians.  Pretty much sometimes, you see someone and you are surprised to find this person is Egyptian, while other times you may believe someone might look Egyptian to you, while in fact he/she may be Spanish, Greek, Italian, Israeli, Iranian, even Indian.

So what does it mean to be Egyptian?  I don't know...speaking in an Egyptian accent of Arabic may be one clue, tracing your close ancestry to some time back in Egypt?  I'm not sure what your question alludes to specifically.

Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 12:40:40 AM »
Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).

Not quite. Mina as a male name is also found among Greeks.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 12:49:31 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

 It means pronouncing the letter ﺝ ,'geem' instead of 'jeem'.  ;)
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 01:03:53 AM »
Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).

Not quite. Mina as a male name is also found among Greeks.
Among Romanians as well, although no longer that common nowadays. anyway, St. Mina remains a very popular saint to whom one appeals to retrieve lost things, much like St. Anthony in the West.

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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 01:05:53 AM »
Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).

Not quite. Mina as a male name is also found among Greeks.

I thought it was "Minas"

If anything, the joke is if you go to a Coptic Church and you yell out Mina, probably between a third to half the Church's men will turn around.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 01:07:13 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

 It means pronouncing the letter ﺝ ,'geem' instead of 'jeem'.  ;)

True for the Lower Egyptians;this rule doesn't apply for Upper Egyptians (Southern that is), i.e. the Sa'idi peoples, the butt of most Egyptian stereotypical, borderline "racist" jokes (ah, yes, yet another characteristic of an Egyptian; you're Egyptian if you know some Sa'idi jokes).
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 01:07:45 AM »
Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).

Not quite. Mina as a male name is also found among Greeks.
Among Romanians as well, although no longer that common nowadays. anyway, St. Mina remains a very popular saint to whom one appeals to retrieve lost things, much like St. Anthony in the West.

 Interesting.  I know a few female Mina's from Romania.  But these are nicknames for Cosmina.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 01:09:46 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

 It means pronouncing the letter ﺝ ,'geem' instead of 'jeem'.  ;)

True for the Lower Egyptians;this rule doesn't apply for Upper Egyptians (Southern that is), i.e. the Sa'idi peoples.

 Makes sense; the folks I know/knew were from Al-Qahira.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 03:38:12 AM »
Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).

Not quite. Mina as a male name is also found among Greeks.

I thought it was "Minas"

Minas is the nominative form. Mina is the form in all other cases. As an aside, the overwhelming number of diminutives of Russian male names end in -a, such as Misha (Michael), Grisha (Gregory), Sasha (Alexander), Alyosha (Alexius), Zhenya (Eugene), etc.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 05:00:24 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

 It means pronouncing the letter ﺝ ,'geem' instead of 'jeem'.  ;)

True for the Lower Egyptians;this rule doesn't apply for Upper Egyptians (Southern that is), i.e. the Sa'idi peoples.

 Makes sense; the folks I know/knew were from Al-Qahira.

That would be me, specifically a Shoubra Egyptian
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 06:43:59 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

I'm also uncertain by what is meant here. Are you referring to ethnicity? I have heard that many Egyptians don't like being termed "Arabs" because of their Pharaonic heritage. Same with many Lebanese due to their Phoenician heritage, and many Maghrebis (Moroccans, Algerians & Tunisians) due to their Berber heritage.

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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 07:03:08 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 09:35:54 AM »
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 11:25:10 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

I'm also uncertain by what is meant here. Are you referring to ethnicity? I have heard that many Egyptians don't like being termed "Arabs" because of their Pharaonic heritage. Same with many Lebanese due to their Phoenician heritage, and many Maghrebis (Moroccans, Algerians & Tunisians) due to their Berber heritage.

That's more of a Coptic thing (although I personally don't mind identifying myself as an Arab, since that's a loose term to identify); personally, Copts do this because of how they're disgruntled with the treatment by Muslims.  Arguably, if we lived in complete peace with Muslims, we probably would have the majority of Copts being proud of being Arab. 

Egyptian Muslims as far as I know don't have a problem being called Arab.  The official name of the nation of Egypt today is the "Arab Republic of Egypt" (ARE).
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 10:13:32 PM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

I'm hesitant to answer, only because I'm trying to understand the point of your question.

Today, being Egyptian holds a genetic diversity similar to saying "being American."  Sometimes some Egyptians look very Mediterranean, i.e. share similar features with Greeks and Italians, and some Egyptians seem to share features with Arabs, and then you have the more African/part African (i.e. darker skin, coarse hair, etc.) looking Egyptians.  Pretty much sometimes, you see someone and you are surprised to find this person is Egyptian, while other times you may believe someone might look Egyptian to you, while in fact he/she may be Spanish, Greek, Italian, Israeli, Iranian, even Indian.

So what does it mean to be Egyptian?  I don't know...speaking in an Egyptian accent of Arabic may be one clue, tracing your close ancestry to some time back in Egypt?  I'm not sure what your question alludes to specifically.

Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).
minasoliman,
The point to my question is that I, a free Californian, don't know what an Egyptian is.  I'm starting to think that there is no such thing as an Egyptian anymore.  The current state of affairs does not take one iota away from the history of Egypt.  The term, Egyptian, lost it's meaning because Egypt lost it's identity, If an educated Coptic Orthodox Christian can't understand a simple question, then Egyptian identity is lost. 
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 10:40:17 PM »
If an educated Coptic Orthodox Christian can't understand a simple question, then Egyptian identity is lost. 

I think Mina and the others have really done their best to understand and answer your question.  The problem is that the question may be a little vague.  For example, why did you ask it in the OO section?  Did you intend it to be a question about what it is to be a Copt?  If so, you may want to look at this thread:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,23039.0.html

If, however, you meant Egyptian in a more general sense, the question may have been better placed elsewhere, since most Egyptians today are not Coptic. 

I get the feeling from the above responses that the Egyptian population is pretty diverse.  That doesn't mean, however, that they have lost their identity.

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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 10:57:36 PM »
If an educated Coptic Orthodox Christian can't understand a simple question, then Egyptian identity is lost.

I think your problem is that you think "What does it mean to be Egyptian?" is a simple question. It's not. We're talking about millenia of history here. Just because the answers might be more complex than you would like doesn't mean that "there is no such thing as an Egyptian anymore."

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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2010, 02:17:59 AM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

I'm hesitant to answer, only because I'm trying to understand the point of your question.

Today, being Egyptian holds a genetic diversity similar to saying "being American."  Sometimes some Egyptians look very Mediterranean, i.e. share similar features with Greeks and Italians, and some Egyptians seem to share features with Arabs, and then you have the more African/part African (i.e. darker skin, coarse hair, etc.) looking Egyptians.  Pretty much sometimes, you see someone and you are surprised to find this person is Egyptian, while other times you may believe someone might look Egyptian to you, while in fact he/she may be Spanish, Greek, Italian, Israeli, Iranian, even Indian.

So what does it mean to be Egyptian?  I don't know...speaking in an Egyptian accent of Arabic may be one clue, tracing your close ancestry to some time back in Egypt?  I'm not sure what your question alludes to specifically.

Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).
minasoliman,
The point to my question is that I, a free Californian, don't know what an Egyptian is.  I'm starting to think that there is no such thing as an Egyptian anymore.  The current state of affairs does not take one iota away from the history of Egypt.  The term, Egyptian, lost it's meaning because Egypt lost it's identity, If an educated Coptic Orthodox Christian can't understand a simple question, then Egyptian identity is lost. 

What's a Californian?
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 06:10:48 PM »
In regards to the identity, can someone tell me what it is to be Egyptian?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

I'm hesitant to answer, only because I'm trying to understand the point of your question.

Today, being Egyptian holds a genetic diversity similar to saying "being American."  Sometimes some Egyptians look very Mediterranean, i.e. share similar features with Greeks and Italians, and some Egyptians seem to share features with Arabs, and then you have the more African/part African (i.e. darker skin, coarse hair, etc.) looking Egyptians.  Pretty much sometimes, you see someone and you are surprised to find this person is Egyptian, while other times you may believe someone might look Egyptian to you, while in fact he/she may be Spanish, Greek, Italian, Israeli, Iranian, even Indian.

So what does it mean to be Egyptian?  I don't know...speaking in an Egyptian accent of Arabic may be one clue, tracing your close ancestry to some time back in Egypt?  I'm not sure what your question alludes to specifically.

Here's one litmus test, if you see a dude named Mina...definitely Egyptian, specifically Coptic Christian (because as far as I know, only Egypt has Mina as male names).
minasoliman,
The point to my question is that I, a free Californian, don't know what an Egyptian is.  I'm starting to think that there is no such thing as an Egyptian anymore.  The current state of affairs does not take one iota away from the history of Egypt.  The term, Egyptian, lost it's meaning because Egypt lost it's identity, If an educated Coptic Orthodox Christian can't understand a simple question, then Egyptian identity is lost. 

What's a Californian?
it was a stupid question in the first place on my part, excuse me.
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Re: What does it mean to be Egyptian?
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2010, 11:09:18 PM »
I teacher whom I liked once said that there are no stupid questions.  Yours was just a bit vague is all.  Perhaps you could just elaborate more on what you want to know.   :)