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« on: October 22, 2009, 09:56:01 PM » |
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I'm currently reading a book on Sufi Islam (title: The Other Islam. quite a good book, the stories about Sufis and Islamic saints are as holy as some of our own). It has me interested in debate between Orthodoxy and Islam. I've seen many books from protestants, and also quite a few from Catholics, but I've never seen a book, organization, or even a recorded debate between an Orthodox Christian and a Muslim, or any history thereof. can anyone suggest sources where I could find this? Or provide links? I'd be interested in both eastern AND oriental ones (especially OO's in Muslim countries). and PLEASE: no making this into an Islam bashing thread!  |
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 10:11:32 PM » |
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I found this cool site: http://www.geocities.com/umaximov/orthoeng.htmI'm looking through it right now to see if there's something good in there. A lot of the stuff I found through google had to do with the war in Bosnia. Its actually an interesting idea considering that religion was used much later in the war. I doubt that anything done in that realm would be impartial. |
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 10:15:59 PM » |
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http://ancientchristiandefender.blogspot.com/2009/06/from-islam-to-orthodox-christianity.htmlI found this video/audio of a guy who converted from islam to orthodoxy. seemed pretty good to me, but i'm not sure what your looking for.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 10:30:13 PM » |
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The Coptic Orthodox Priest fr zakaria botros has some videos online. They are mostly in Arabic, a few are in english, but they are in bits and pieces on youtube. I thought about stitching alot together into one long one, but I messed up somehow and never tried it again.
I think there is a good and practical reason why you don't see alot of debates between the two (EO & ISLAM).
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 10:41:29 PM » |
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I think there is a good and practical reason why you don't see alot of debates between the two (EO & ISLAM).
And that would be?... I wouldn't call it a "debate," but there's also the criticism of Islam by Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos that got Pope Benedict XVI a lot of heat a few years ago. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 11:21:29 PM » |
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This was intriguing to say the least.  |
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 12:41:00 AM » |
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Check out Fr. Zakaria's website. Go to the books section and he has many writings about Islam. http://www.fatherzakaria.net/ |
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 02:09:09 AM » |
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I have many Muslim friends, and the last thing I would want to do is engage them in a debate. Most Muslims I know seem primarily interested in righteousness, social justice, racial unity, and honoring God. I have never had a Muslim try to convert me. Therefore, I strongly encourage all Orthodox Christians not to try to convert Muslims via theological debate. Simply share the beauty of Orthodoxy with them, emphasizing the mystery and the holiness of our Faith. Share the lives of the Saints, and the witness of the martyrs. Answer their questions, and defend our doctrine with love and respect. Also, be willing to listen and learn from them as well. After all, a lot of Muslims may be closer to the Kingdom than evangelical Protestants.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 02:35:24 AM » |
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After all, a lot of Muslims may be closer to the Kingdom than evangelical Protestants. Watch it. Don't so readily throw other Christians who call upon our Savior daily by name underneath the bus like that. They might not know half of what they are talking about, but they know how to love Christ as God in a simple way and how to share that love. To place a false religion like Islam 'ahead' of a Christian group, heretical as it might be, seems a bit like overkill. Anyway, I hope that Orthodox Christians continue to not argue with Muslims. I honestly can't stand anymore God-squabbles right now, within or outside of Christianity. Let's all shut up and pray for a while! |
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 02:45:11 AM » |
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After all, a lot of Muslims may be closer to the Kingdom than evangelical Protestants. Watch it. Don't so readily throw other Christians who call upon our Savior daily by name underneath the bus like that. They might not know half of what they are talking about, but they know how to love Christ as God in a simple way and how to share that love. To place a false religion like Islam 'ahead' of a Christian group, heretical as it might be, seems a bit like overkill. Anyway, I hope that Orthodox Christians continue to not argue with Muslims. I honestly can't stand anymore God-squabbles right now, within or outside of Christianity. Let's all shut up and pray for a while! I agree with you. That's why I said "may."Selam |
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 06:39:43 AM » |
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I have read that the initial followers of Mohamed were remnants of one of the heresies related to the Church's understanding of the Person of Christ, of the 6th century; the loosing side resolved by an Ecumenical Synod. Secular historians consider their position as a political opposition to the leadership of the Byzantine Empire.
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