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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2013, 12:03:06 AM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.


There is a CD of the Jordanville Morning Prayers and the Prayers Before Sleep, and sometimes I use that on the way to work.  It's read by a monastic, I think, so he just reads like a pro at prayer, with very clear enunciation, no drama, which is nice.  There are only a few minor differences from the book, and my wording has settled into my own pattern for some of the prayers anyway.  For example, I don't just pray for Russia, but for all Orthodox Christians.    It's not the same as actually doing the rule, but maybe it's better than nothing.


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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2013, 11:52:20 PM »
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,51342.0.html

The link above is to a more recent thread covering the differences between the HTM and the Jordanville Prayerbook with more emphasis on the HTM prayerbook.
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2013, 01:38:09 AM »
In order of usefulness and use:

1. Old Orthodox Prayerbook (Russian Old Rite)
2. Jordanville Prayerbook
3. HTM Prayerbook

Why do you like the Old Rite one best?
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2013, 08:38:37 AM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2013, 08:08:04 PM »
Since i only have the little red prayer book I'll say Jordanville, its just so neat.
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2013, 12:51:28 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

I don't see it as an imposition at all.  No one is telling me to do the entire thing.  Better to do what you can and keep your mind on Christ as often as you can throughout the day.  Sometimes, I am discouraged or tired or rushed and all I can say is the Lord's prayer.  I have found that the days that don't start with prayer are the more difficult days.  Also, it's better to pray in the car than listening to garbage on the radio or cursing other people on the road (I'm guilty of both).
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2013, 12:57:24 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

It'd be interesting to see an article on the development of Christian personal prayer (especially among laity) if anyone has one.
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2013, 03:09:48 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

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This little prayer book has nice, short morning and evening prayers.  It doesn't take long to memorize them and then you don't even need to use the book itself at all--unless, of course, you want to  ;).
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2013, 03:38:23 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

It'd be interesting to see an article on the development of Christian personal prayer (especially among laity) if anyone has one.

Here ya go:

http://frsergei.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/morning-and-evening-prayer-rules-in-the-russian-orthodox-tradition/

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2013, 03:40:05 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

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This little prayer book has nice, short morning and evening prayers.  It doesn't take long to memorize them and then you don't even need to use the book itself at all--unless, of course, you want to  ;).

A Greek priest gave this to me when I first started inquiring. It's a nice little book. One cool thing it has that the Jordanville doesn't is a section on preparing for confession.

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book vs Holy Transfiguration Prayer Book
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2013, 04:20:00 PM »
I mean, for crying out loud, the Jordanville morning prayers section is like 53 pages long!

I just checked, and it's 26 pages, just for accuracy.

I love the Jordanville still, but the morning prayers are almost never preformed by me because I loathe the mornings. If I am ever going to begin a morning prayer rule then it's going to need to be five minutes long or something. I used to pray them as a stay-at-home dad, but now that I am off for work early every morning it just doesn't get done.

I firmly believe that it's important, though. Prayer is what life is all about.

From one lazy layman to another, I often find myself praying in the car in the mornings. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

I think something to keep in mind with these prayer books and their lengthy rules is that they represent an imposition of monastic-style rules on laymen. My understanding is that this has only been done for the last couple of centuries. A short, 5-minute morning rule is a lot better than a long one that we feel too tired/ discouraged to pray. I have seen other prayer books with much shorter rules.

+1

This little prayer book has nice, short morning and evening prayers.  It doesn't take long to memorize them and then you don't even need to use the book itself at all--unless, of course, you want to  ;).

A Greek priest gave this to me when I first started inquiring. It's a nice little book. One cool thing it has that the Jordanville doesn't is a section on preparing for confession.

There's actually nothing about that book that I dislike!  Its small size, brevity, and simplicity are perfect.  When and if I have more time or want lengthier or "supplemental" prayers, I usually turn to the Jordanville prayer book.
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