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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2009, 06:27:23 PM »
I wish this was in the brochure.

VISITORS--All “regular” members of the parish should introduce themselves, talk to all visitors after DL, and make them feel very welcome.  All visitors should be warmly encouraged to return to worship with the parish.

OCCASIONALLY ATTENDING MEMBERS--All “regular” members should make an effort to hug C & P members (Christmas and Pascha only attenders) and lovingly tell them that their presence has been missed.

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2009, 06:47:15 PM »
I was told not to cross myself, but, to bow.  The bow, I believe, is to acknowledge and thank the priest and his acknowledgment of your status as a living icon.

Not crossing oneself before bowing to a priest, bishop or monk is to make a sharp designation between holy things (the cross, iconography, the Holy Scriptures, relics) and persons.

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2009, 06:56:25 PM »
Wow.  Interesting.
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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2009, 07:02:56 PM »
I know that some Christians within the Oriental Orthodox communion kneel (prostrate) on Sundays.  Some Ethiopians come in and prostrate before and after services every week.  Should my priest run out from behind the iconostasis and pull them to their feet?

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2009, 07:47:38 PM »
I really feel like it is a good brochure from Conciliar Press. It seems a little stern, but sometimes sternness is necessary. As others have previously stated, some legitimate Orthodox traditions are not being practiced and are being glossed over. I will certainly share this with my priest. Thanks for sharing!

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As an aside, my apologies if my previous post in any way contributed to an attack against username! I did not mean for it to be taken as such.
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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2009, 08:52:14 PM »
Archpriest Victor Potapov On Pious Behavior in Church
http://www.stjohndc.org/Russian/what/e_Church-Behavior.htm


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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2009, 09:50:28 PM »
I was told not to cross myself, but, to bow.  The bow, I believe, is to acknowledge and thank the priest and his acknowledgment of your status as a living icon.

Not crossing oneself before bowing to a priest, bishop or monk is to make a sharp designation between holy things (the cross, iconography, the Holy Scriptures, relics) and persons.

Ah-ha-ha-ha. Ha.  I crossed myself last weekend before bowing to the Abbott of a monastery when asking for his blessing.  He set me straight!  (Good naturedly).  He said he allows mistakes in catechumens (thank God). 

Also, a comment about Concilliar Press -- while "cradle" Orthodox might think of what they put out as "Orthodoxy lite" (I've seen this on the Internet), they ARE a big part of the many converts that the Church is seeing.  Reading Becoming Orthodox had a profound affect on our family's life, and for that we are thankful. 

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2009, 12:06:45 AM »
I was just informed that the wife of my priest wrote this pamphlet.  Now that I think about it, it does sound like her and that can be pretty direct and even abrasive at times.
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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2009, 02:11:55 AM »
I heard once that is is common for people to greet each other with a kiss (on the cheek) when going up to receive communion. I've never seen it done in our parish, though. Can anyone vouch for this practice?

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2009, 02:14:31 AM »

Ah-ha-ha-ha. Ha.  I crossed myself last weekend before bowing to the Abbott of a monastery when asking for his blessing.  He set me straight!  (Good naturedly).  He said he allows mistakes in catechumens (thank God). 


Well I'd certainly hope that he would! Catechumens by nature are bound to make mistakes and misunderstand things.

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2009, 04:10:21 AM »
I was told not to cross myself, but, to bow.  The bow, I believe, is to acknowledge and thank the priest and his acknowledgment of your status as a living icon.

Not crossing oneself before bowing to a priest, bishop or monk is to make a sharp designation between holy things (the cross, iconography, the Holy Scriptures, relics) and persons.

Actually, not crossing oneself before clergy is because when they bless you, they are "drawing" the Cross on you. No need to draw the Cross twice.
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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2009, 04:11:46 AM »
I wish this was in the brochure.

VISITORS--All “regular” members of the parish should introduce themselves, talk to all visitors after DL, and make them feel very welcome.  All visitors should be warmly encouraged to return to worship with the parish.

OCCASIONALLY ATTENDING MEMBERS--All “regular” members should make an effort to hug C & P members (Christmas and Pascha only attenders) and lovingly tell them that their presence has been missed.


Some people might get turned off by such upfront activity. Typically, when I visit a new parish I like to hang back for the first few services, at least until I get to know people.
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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2009, 07:33:09 AM »
I'm coming late to this thread because I was away, but here's my tuppence worth:

The guide says clearly, right at the beginning, that it's designed to help people, not to arbitrate.

I found it helpful. I'm totally new to Orthodox worship, and while you can learn from watching the others and doing what they do, you can hardly tap them on the shoulder and say, 'ah, nice prostrations - tell me, while the choir gets going, why exactly you're doing those?' If you learn religion from the cradle, your parents and family will be much more accepting of childish questions. I found the guide helpful.

But as for cradle Orthodox finding it insulting - well, they may, but surely if you were a cradle Orthodox, you should feel secure enough in your own worship not to be worried about what a manual (which you don't need) is saying?

Also, for what it's worth, it looks to me as if being cradle Orthodox doesn't necessarily mean you can fit in with any service in any church. I noticed my partner was struggling to sing the Nicene Creed last Sunday, because it was in English and he didn't learn the English version until recently. I wouldn't say it bothered him hugely, but obviously it slightly affected his ability to participate in the service. So being cradle Orthodox doesn't give you all the answers, and if I tried to learn from him, I'd have the same problems he has with our English services.

Just my thoughts, anyway ....

I was grateful for the link, Maureen.

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2009, 04:28:53 PM »
I heard once that is is common for people to greet each other with a kiss (on the cheek) when going up to receive communion. I've never seen it done in our parish, though. Can anyone vouch for this practice?

We greet others with a kiss (on each cheek) a little bit before getting to the point of the faithful going forward for the Eucharist (there's a point where the liturgy says something about greeting each other).  So people kiss those around them, then return to where they were standing as the liturgy continues.  Is this what you mean? 

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2009, 05:30:36 PM »
I'm coming late to this thread because I was away, but here's my tuppence worth:

The guide says clearly, right at the beginning, that it's designed to help people, not to arbitrate.

I found it helpful. I'm totally new to Orthodox worship, and while you can learn from watching the others and doing what they do, you can hardly tap them on the shoulder and say, 'ah, nice prostrations - tell me, while the choir gets going, why exactly you're doing those?' If you learn religion from the cradle, your parents and family will be much more accepting of childish questions. I found the guide helpful.

LOL the part about the prostrations made me giggle. :)

I'm glad you found it helpful.

So being cradle Orthodox doesn't give you all the answers, and if I tried to learn from him, I'd have the same problems he has with our English services.

Amen!

I was grateful for the link, Maureen.

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2009, 05:56:44 PM »
I wish this was in the brochure.

VISITORS--All “regular” members of the parish should introduce themselves, talk to all visitors after DL, and make them feel very welcome.  All visitors should be warmly encouraged to return to worship with the parish.

OCCASIONALLY ATTENDING MEMBERS--All “regular” members should make an effort to hug C & P members (Christmas and Pascha only attenders) and lovingly tell them that their presence has been missed.


Some people might get turned off by such upfront activity. Typically, when I visit a new parish I like to hang back for the first few services, at least until I get to know people.
If you come to my church, the Band of Babushkas WILL find you.  After your post, we are going to specifically look for you!  Prepare to get hugged.  :laugh:

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2009, 06:04:12 PM »
I wish this was in the brochure.

VISITORS--All “regular” members of the parish should introduce themselves, talk to all visitors after DL, and make them feel very welcome.  All visitors should be warmly encouraged to return to worship with the parish.

OCCASIONALLY ATTENDING MEMBERS--All “regular” members should make an effort to hug C & P members (Christmas and Pascha only attenders) and lovingly tell them that their presence has been missed.


Some people might get turned off by such upfront activity. Typically, when I visit a new parish I like to hang back for the first few services, at least until I get to know people.
If you come to my church, the Band of Babushkas WILL find you.  After your post, we are going to specifically look for you!  Prepare to get hugged.  :laugh:

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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2009, 12:41:30 AM »
Maureen a "cradle" Orthodox Christian

Yes but has your family been Orthodox for over "1020 years"?

If not then your beliefs and practices are all suspect.  ::)


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Re: A Guide to Church Etiquette (A Helpful Guide for those New to Orthodoxy)
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2009, 01:27:52 AM »
Archpriest Victor Potapov On Pious Behavior in Church
http://www.stjohndc.org/Russian/what/e_Church-Behavior.htm



I wonder if others think that this "brochure" is as offensive and harsh as the one that set off this whole debate.  They both seem to say the same thing and really not in different tones.
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