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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.

Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.

Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."

"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.

Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.

When new inscriptions are appearing, Ali doesn't sleep all night long and has high temperature and even strong drugs cannot send it off.

The TV channel reported that Ali was diagnosed "ischemic heart disease of the second degree" and "infantile cerebral paralysis" in the maternity clinic. However, when inexplicable things started happening, he was examined and found healthy.

Hundreds of Dagestan Muslims come to Ali's house as pilgrims. Local authorities, beware of the rush, decided to guard the house round-the-clock.

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 02:24:22 PM »

This is a contact dermatitis.  (The baby's leg touched a "chemical" of some type.)  Or this could possibly be Familial Juvenile Onset Psoriasis.

Once I walked through forest and was exposed to poison ivy.  My rash said, " I bet I can use this rash to make a religious statement or better yet I can use it to make $$$$$$$$$$." (I'm joking.)
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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.

Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.

Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."

"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.

Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.

When new inscriptions are appearing, Ali doesn't sleep all night long and has high temperature and even strong drugs cannot send it off.

The TV channel reported that Ali was diagnosed "ischemic heart disease of the second degree" and "infantile cerebral paralysis" in the maternity clinic. However, when inexplicable things started happening, he was examined and found healthy.

Hundreds of Dagestan Muslims come to Ali's house as pilgrims. Local authorities, beware of the rush, decided to guard the house round-the-clock.

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I can't tell for sure, because it isn't big enough, but it seems the middle word is misspelt.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 03:05:42 PM »

This is a contact dermatitis.  (The baby's leg touched a "chemical" of some type.)  Or this could possibly be Familial Juvenile Onset Psoriasis.

Once I walked through forest and was exposed to poison ivy.  My rash said, " I bet I can use this rash to make a religious statement or better yet I can use it to make $$$$$$$$$$." (I'm joking.)


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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.

Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.

Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."

"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.

Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.

When new inscriptions are appearing, Ali doesn't sleep all night long and has high temperature and even strong drugs cannot send it off.

The TV channel reported that Ali was diagnosed "ischemic heart disease of the second degree" and "infantile cerebral paralysis" in the maternity clinic. However, when inexplicable things started happening, he was examined and found healthy.

Hundreds of Dagestan Muslims come to Ali's house as pilgrims. Local authorities, beware of the rush, decided to guard the house round-the-clock.

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I can't tell for sure, because it isn't big enough, but it seems the middle word is misspelt.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 03:28:17 PM »

If this baby is being given “strong medicines”  it could have developed a morbilliform rash.  This occurs with a reaction to some antibiotics.

Fifth disease ( a Parvovirus) also causes scattered morbilliform rashes.  Everybody eventually has Fifth disease.

The baby could also have one/several naevus flammeus that manefest more distinctly when the child is vasodilated (hyperemic-has a fever).
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 05:26:59 PM »

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What do you think about it?

I'm generally skeptical of any claimed miracles, whether they be Christian, Muslim, or any other religion. I guess my reaction here is... shrug my shoulders, and wait and see if more to the story shows up.  Thanks for posting it, though. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2009, 05:51:27 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 06:36:05 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2009, 06:47:55 PM »

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Phenolphthalein, commonly used as a pH indicator, turns pink in the presence of a base such as ammonia fumes or sodium carbonate.
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Babies produce a lot of ammnoia in their urine, smell like ammnoia and someone at the hospital in Dagestan (Chechnya) had access to Phenolphthalein.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2009, 06:54:31 PM »

But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink

Please don't get him started again!  And whatever you do, don't bring up the stigmata.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2009, 06:56:50 PM »

Henna painting, anyone? Or potassium permanganate solution?
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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.

Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.

Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."

"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.

Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.

When new inscriptions are appearing, Ali doesn't sleep all night long and has high temperature and even strong drugs cannot send it off.

The TV channel reported that Ali was diagnosed "ischemic heart disease of the second degree" and "infantile cerebral paralysis" in the maternity clinic. However, when inexplicable things started happening, he was examined and found healthy.

Hundreds of Dagestan Muslims come to Ali's house as pilgrims. Local authorities, beware of the rush, decided to guard the house round-the-clock.

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »

Henna painting, anyone? Or potassium permanganate solution?

The latter serves as a disinfectant and oxidizer.  In these former Soviet areas, strong stuff is likely used to treat Parovirii, if that is what the baby really has....

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 08:05:31 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink


Those catholic marian apparitions all false ...but other micacles possable maybe ,,Orthodoxy would have to do a through investigation though...
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2009, 09:47:10 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink


Those catholic marian apparitions all false ...but other micacles possable maybe ,,Orthodoxy would have to do a through investigation though...

Just because something works or is miraculous doesnt mean it comes from God.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2009, 10:42:36 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink


Those catholic marian apparitions all false ...but other micacles possable maybe ,,Orthodoxy would have to do a through investigation though...

Thanks papist!  angel
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2009, 10:48:48 PM »

Quite honestly, I'm so skeptical about these kinds of *miracles*, Orthodox or non-Orthodox. Anything can be faked, any story can do the rounds - so I'm inclined not to care one way or the other whether this is from a spelling impared Allah or Aunty Jasmine, whose a dab hand with the henna.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 11:39:07 PM »

I like how some people here investigated ways these words are written with the assumption it's not a miracle.  I really do like that.  I just hope that we do the same when a self-proclaimed "Orthodox" miracle comes to light.  I hate it when people bring up miracles like a magic show on display for all to watch, and not concentrate on the subjective spiritual experience it gives only to some people.
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I like how some people here investigated ways these words are written with the assumption it's not a miracle.  I really do like that.  I just hope that we do the same when a self-proclaimed "Orthodox" miracle comes to light.  I hate it when people bring up miracles like a magic show on display for all to watch, and not concentrate on the subjective spiritual experience it gives only to some people.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2009, 12:30:05 AM »

Others would be skeptical about weeping icons, too. Someone mentioned the subjective religious experience it gives to the one who (may) experience it. Same on this end of things, too. I don't think God works miracles only to Orthodox Christians, or Christians, for that matter. 'Let it be....'
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 01:16:10 AM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink


Those catholic marian apparitions all false ...but other micacles possable maybe ,,Orthodoxy would have to do a through investigation though...
I suppose hypocrisy is a hard subject for us to understand, isn't it? Undecided
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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.
Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.
Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."
"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.
Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.
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The integrity of the media in question non-withstanding, it is quite amazing and even frightening sometimes what can be done with photoshop. But too, like someone else pointed out, even if it is real doesn't mean it's from God.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2009, 11:08:21 AM »

There are three possibilities: (1) biochemical explanation; (2) God-miracle; or (3) psycho-somatic manifestation. (Or all three Roll Eyes)

How about a forth possibility:  It's a hoax.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 11:12:15 AM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink


Those catholic marian apparitions all false ...but other micacles possable maybe ,,Orthodoxy would have to do a through investigation though...

Well well, aren't you just a regular little ecumenist??
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 12:23:57 PM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2009, 10:37:38 AM »

Okay, so Allah is the Creator of all things. But which one? Christians, pagans and Muslims are using the word Allah for the Creator of the universe.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2009, 11:10:50 AM »

Okay, so Allah is the Creator of all things. But which one? Christians, pagans and Muslims are using the word Allah for the Creator of the universe.
There's only one Allah.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2009, 02:31:45 PM »

There are three possibilities: (1) biochemical explanation; (2) God-miracle; or (3) psycho-somatic manifestation. (Or all three Roll Eyes)

How about a forth possibility:  It's a hoax.
How about a fifth: It's a demonic miracle.
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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2009, 02:45:23 PM »

I tend to think it's just a rash that some misguidedly pious souls have interpreted as a manifestation of what they venerate, much like those Christians who see the Virgin Mary in the burn pattern on a grilled cheese sandwich.
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I tend to think it's just a rash that some misguidedly pious souls have interpreted as a manifestation of what they venerate, much like those Christians who see the Virgin Mary in the burn pattern on a grilled cheese sandwich.
I wonder how clearly the text shows up. I'm not sure because I don't speak arabic.
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2009, 12:28:32 AM »

Definitely a henna tattoo....I can imagine who much more time-consuming this would take for a contact dermatitis.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2009, 08:02:45 AM »

How about a fifth: It's a demonic miracle.
If the parents did it on purpose, can we still count it as a demonic work?
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2009, 08:45:16 AM »

I Have A Muslim shia Pakistani Friend ,he mentioned to me when they were Celebrating one of their Holy days ,people bring all kinds of food and they all share it ...
He mentioned at that time he noticed ,they could of feed the whole world the food never ran out it kept multiplying ,he recognized a miracle from God that day,,,So Does God work miracles in other faiths i would say yes...
But not miracles with Catholics right?  Wink
Don't be so hilarious, Papist... Personally, as anti-Catholic as I can be, i believe that many miracles performed by RC saints were genuine acts from God. As I already stated on another thread, God can summon saints outside of the Orthodox Church to bring light in these faiths and correct them, which doesn't mean that this unOrthodox faith is true, but just that it isn't as evil to prevent grace from existing there LOL

As for me, I don't believe that the picture of this topic represents any miracle. The content in itself isn't a pro-Quran quotation, since the same words can be used by Arabic Christians, and that God (ha-Elohim, translated literally as Allah) is Creator, I think there's no doubt. What makes me deny this as a miracle is the NEED of such a writing to appear on a baby, and I don't understand how useful this communication from Heaven might be.
Anyway, miracles aren't a part of our religious system until they receive an official recognition from the church - more or less as for canonizations of saints. You might believe in the sanctity of an individual at a personal level, but you can't call him a saint until the Church promotes his veneration with an official statement. The same for miracles. BTW, the Orthodox Church shouldn't investigate this subject too much... you should be concerned in recognizing how God works in our faith and not whether He works outside of it or not.

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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2009, 10:38:28 AM »

If these markings actually say something (I don’t read Arabic) perhaps the child was tattooed.  Notice how the article previously said that the baby had a bruise which then turned into the word Allah.  Perhaps they experimented with his chin and then moved on to a bigger surface area.  ATTENTION DAGESTAN CHILDREN & YOUTH SERVICES!!!    Or maybe the tattoo artist was from children/youth services? Cry Cry
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2009, 09:07:42 PM »

unlikely a permanent tattoo because Islam forbids that..
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2009, 09:20:30 PM »

As the wise Kanye West says, "Tattoo boy's parents, Imma let you finish, but balloon boy's parents gave us one of the greatest hoaxes of all time!"
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2010, 08:40:33 AM »



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Moscow, October 15, Interfax - Quotations from Quran start appearing on the body of a 9-month boy named Ali from Kizlyar, Dagestan, his parents claim.

Birthmarks in form of Arabic scripts have been appearing on the baby's body since his birth. First, there were individual letters, then texts and, according to local imams, these are texts from the Quran, the Vesti TV has reported on Thursday.

Thus, one of the baby's legs has an inscription, "Allah is the creator of all things."

"First, there was a hematoma on his chin. When the bruise went off, we saw the word "Allah," Ali's mother Madina Yakubova said.

Words similar to birthmarks show up on his shank and ankle usually on Monday and Friday and then disappear.

When new inscriptions are appearing, Ali doesn't sleep all night long and has high temperature and even strong drugs cannot send it off.

The TV channel reported that Ali was diagnosed "ischemic heart disease of the second degree" and "infantile cerebral paralysis" in the maternity clinic. However, when inexplicable things started happening, he was examined and found healthy.

Hundreds of Dagestan Muslims come to Ali's house as pilgrims. Local authorities, beware of the rush, decided to guard the house round-the-clock.

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What do you think about it?

Please, move it to the right board.

I can't tell for sure, because it isn't big enough, but it seems the middle word is misspelt.

There's no misspelling there, the text in the image is  لو تعلمون ما أعلم لضحكتم قليلا ولبكيتم كثيرا, which means If you would know know what I know you youl've laughed a little and cried a lot (personal translation), and it's part of a hadith, perhaps he has the Quran passages elsewhere. The two letters ضح in the middle of the sentence are not clear due to the skin in the knee area.
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2010, 08:43:22 AM »

I found the pictures with the Quranic passages:





And here's a video by Reuters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7t6wnfx0E&feature=fvw
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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2010, 09:35:59 AM »

An overt fraud.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2010, 09:39:03 AM »

Looks like henna.
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2010, 10:05:30 AM »


....so why do the two photos "look" different.  I can't read either one, but, the text visible on the upper leg in the previous photos, is not present in the one above? 

Hmmm....

...and as for the "modesty" of Islamic women....pppppplease!  I live in an area densely populated by Muslims.  Yes, they cover their heads, but, what of the rest of them?  Some only cover their heads with a scarf and yet wear skin tight jeans, others, while completely covered still display the face with the false eye lashes and lips smeared with bright red lipstick.  What gives?  Isn't the point of covering up to be modest and not "tempt"...so what's the ruby red lipstick with liner for?

Besides being modest, the Islamic women I often encounter (and by no means is this true of ALL Islamic women), are rude and self-centered.  They cut in line in front of me all the time, and while speaking in Arabic sneer at me and giggle with their friends.  This happens ALL the time.  Sometimes I really want to say something, but, am scared of someone saying I am anti-Islamic.  I think they realize it and know they can get away with it. 

Thankfully, one time the group of women had their "guardian" man with them.  He noticed me looking at the ground and trying not to say something when all 5 of them stepped in front of me....and he ripped into them, apologized to me and told me to go in front of them.

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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2010, 10:09:01 AM »

Looks like henna.

No. Henna leave a brown or orange trace, the writing in the pictures is pink/read. Besides, Henna produces a strong scent, which I can't tolerate by the way, even days afters it's applied. People sure would've smelled it.
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2010, 10:10:02 AM »


....so why do the two photos "look" different.  I can't read either one, but, the text visible on the upper leg in the previous photos, is not present in the one above? 


They say in the reports that the writings come and go, so it's conceivable that they would change.
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