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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2009, 03:16:17 PM »
This quote is from "Facing East", by Frederica Mathewes-Green; a light hearted account about her journey to Orthodoxy:

"Something about Orthodoxy has immense appeal to men, and it's something that their wives- especially those used to worshiping in the softer evangelical style- are generally slower to get. The appeal of joining this vast, ancient, rock-solid communion must be something like the appeal of joining the marines. It's going to demand a hell of a lot out of you, and it's not going to cater to your individual whims, but when it's through with you you're going to be more than you ever knew you could be. It's going to demand, not death on the battle-field, but death to self in a million painful ways, and God is going to be sovereign. It's a guy thing. You wouldn't understand."

She goes on to give examples of wives she knew who were brought kicking and screaming into the Church by their husbands. It's not a rule or "how it should be" by any means, just a general trend. 

Ah, I see. A bit of reverse psychology going on in her account there, then? I love how as soon as someone says, 'it's a guy (girl) thing, you wouldn't understand', you immediately start thinking, 'oh yeah?'.

I guess you'll often have one partner who's keener on some new experience before the other partner, even if it's the Church. I just don't think my gender is what's stopping me from feeling that the Orthodox Church is right for me, after all, there are plenty of women converts on the forum, as well as men.

Perhaps you are just defending your own turf a bit ( Church of England)..That is perfectly understandable and actually a bit of a "guy thing"... I would do the same in reverse, I am sure.

I have learned that it is just best to be led by God. If you step out of your own way and just observe for a while it's amazing where you end up sometimes.

My new wife in Anglican and trying hard to become Orthodox for my sake but she is used to a whole different approach to religion and it is taking a while for her to get used to it...

BTW, Fredrica is very approachable. You may consider writing to her.

Oh, good luck to your wife then! Although I'm not trying to convert, it's nice to know of someone else in a somewhat similar situation  :)
Yes, I'm sure partly I'm just responding to something new and different.

Her advantage is that the Priest in my parish and his family were Episcopal before they converted. They even know some people in common.

Our priest is ex-Anglican too. It's one of the things that made me feel more comfortable going to the service.

I think quite a lot of people converted to Catholicism over the women priests issue in the Anglican Church, I guess some converted to Orthodoxy too.

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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2009, 03:26:32 PM »
I think quite a lot of people converted to Catholicism over the women priests issue in the Anglican Church, I guess some converted to Orthodoxy too.

A good friend of mine's father had been ordained an Anglican priest for two days when him and his wife said "Nope, can't do it." and became Orthodox instead. While he was in seminary, her father and a group of his classmates were upset with some of the changes going on in the Anglican Church (female ordination, ordination or practicing homosexuals, etc.) and started to research the Early Church. They all left the Anglican faith 2 days after being ordained.

So my friend and her family have been Orthodox since she was 8 y/o.
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2009, 05:28:13 PM »
This quote is from "Facing East", by Frederica Mathewes-Green; a light hearted account about her journey to Orthodoxy:

"Something about Orthodoxy has immense appeal to men, and it's something that their wives- especially those used to worshiping in the softer evangelical style- are generally slower to get. The appeal of joining this vast, ancient, rock-solid communion must be something like the appeal of joining the marines. It's going to demand a hell of a lot out of you, and it's not going to cater to your individual whims, but when it's through with you you're going to be more than you ever knew you could be. It's going to demand, not death on the battle-field, but death to self in a million painful ways, and God is going to be sovereign. It's a guy thing. You wouldn't understand."

She goes on to give examples of wives she knew who were brought kicking and screaming into the Church by their husbands. It's not a rule or "how it should be" by any means, just a general trend. 

Ah, I see. A bit of reverse psychology going on in her account there, then? I love how as soon as someone says, 'it's a guy (girl) thing, you wouldn't understand', you immediately start thinking, 'oh yeah?'.

I guess you'll often have one partner who's keener on some new experience before the other partner, even if it's the Church. I just don't think my gender is what's stopping me from feeling that the Orthodox Church is right for me, after all, there are plenty of women converts on the forum, as well as men.

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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2009, 01:52:58 PM »
This quote is from "Facing East", by Frederica Mathewes-Green; a light hearted account about her journey to Orthodoxy:

"Something about Orthodoxy has immense appeal to men, and it's something that their wives- especially those used to worshiping in the softer evangelical style- are generally slower to get. The appeal of joining this vast, ancient, rock-solid communion must be something like the appeal of joining the marines. It's going to demand a hell of a lot out of you, and it's not going to cater to your individual whims, but when it's through with you you're going to be more than you ever knew you could be. It's going to demand, not death on the battle-field, but death to self in a million painful ways, and God is going to be sovereign. It's a guy thing. You wouldn't understand."

She goes on to give examples of wives she knew who were brought kicking and screaming into the Church by their husbands. It's not a rule or "how it should be" by any means, just a general trend. 

Ah, I see. A bit of reverse psychology going on in her account there, then? I love how as soon as someone says, 'it's a guy (girl) thing, you wouldn't understand', you immediately start thinking, 'oh yeah?'.

I guess you'll often have one partner who's keener on some new experience before the other partner, even if it's the Church. I just don't think my gender is what's stopping me from feeling that the Orthodox Church is right for me, after all, there are plenty of women converts on the forum, as well as men.

Perhaps you are just defending your own turf a bit ( Church of England)..That is perfectly understandable and actually a bit of a "guy thing"... I would do the same in reverse, I am sure.

I have learned that it is just best to be led by God. If you step out of your own way and just observe for a while it's amazing where you end up sometimes.

My new wife in Anglican and trying hard to become Orthodox for my sake but she is used to a whole different approach to religion and it is taking a while for her to get used to it...

BTW, Fredrica is very approachable. You may consider writing to her.

Oh, good luck to your wife then! Although I'm not trying to convert, it's nice to know of someone else in a somewhat similar situation  :)
Yes, I'm sure partly I'm just responding to something new and different.

Her advantage is that the Priest in my parish and his family were Episcopal before they converted. They even know some people in common.

Our priest is ex-Anglican too. It's one of the things that made me feel more comfortable going to the service.

I think quite a lot of people converted to Catholicism over the women priests issue in the Anglican Church, I guess some converted to Orthodoxy too.

About a year ago I had some communication with a Catholic Priest who was formerly an Episcopal Priest. They allowed him to switch even though he is married. He said they make special exceptions for Anglican Priests who are already married. He was really gung ho for the Pope as I recall.
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2016, 09:58:46 AM »
Thank you all for writing and commenting in this thread years and years ago. I've just realized why I've so many problems, well one reason why - I have no one to watch at liturgy. There are no grandmothers. This is what led me to search "etiquette".

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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »
Thank you all for writing and commenting in this thread years and years ago. I've just realized why I've so many problems, well one reason why - I have no one to watch at liturgy. There are no grandmothers. This is what led me to search "etiquette".
Is there only one parish in your area?
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2016, 10:15:55 AM »
I attended my first service recently. I've been a Christian for most of my adult life, have a grad degree in theology, and have studied orthodoxy for over a year prior to attending.  It was an Antiochian church. All that I had read and listened to has now come into much better focus.  It was very powerful, but gentle and sincere at the same time.  I felt ignorant,  which I am, and that was my main anxiety.  The woman next to me knew I was green as a shamrock but she greeted me and radiated peace. She held another member's fussing baby and put him to sleep in her arms.  It was precious.
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2016, 03:06:54 PM »
Good to hear! :)
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2016, 11:45:40 AM »
Does the below concerning the dismissal of the Catechumens hold true for most Orthodox liturgies? 

(from orthodoxwiki)

"At present, the dismissal of the catechumens has become only a reminder of the past, since it is not the case that noncommunicants, or even the nonbaptized, depart the gathering of the Eucharistic liturgy."

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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2016, 12:00:23 PM »
Does the below concerning the dismissal of the Catechumens hold true for most Orthodox liturgies? 

(from orthodoxwiki)

"At present, the dismissal of the catechumens has become only a reminder of the past, since it is not the case that noncommunicants, or even the nonbaptized, depart the gathering of the Eucharistic liturgy."

-J

In practice, yes. 
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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2016, 11:28:13 PM »
At our parish, there is a prayer for the catechumens, but the catechumens are not dismissed.
The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

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Re: Attending my first Orthodox service?
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2016, 01:27:46 AM »
At our parish, there is a prayer for the catechumens, but the catechumens are not dismissed.
Same with mine. This caused much confusion for one of our then-catechumens when he went with us to a local monastery (of another jurisdiction) where they do indeed say the dismissal. Laughs were had afterward.
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