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Offline Michael L

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Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« on: October 05, 2009, 06:06:26 PM »
For those Orthodox Priests that must work a secular job. I was wandering what professions do you/they hold aside from their Church duties. Are there any professions that are of limits due to the nature of the business like sales or politics?

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 06:11:43 PM »
I was told that Priests are not allowed to be actors; doctors, who have contact with intimate areas; soldiers and other, who kill.

I know one Priest, who is a dentist.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 06:14:49 PM »
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 06:26:29 PM »
I was told that Priests are not allowed to be actors; doctors, who have contact with intimate areas; soldiers and other, who kill.

I know one Priest, who is a dentist.

Priests are in no way forbidden from being doctors. St Luke of Simferopol' was a distinguished professor of surgery in the Soviet Union, while all the time being a monk, priest, and, later, bishop. Unlike many other clergy of the time, who understandably hid their religious vocation, his status as a monastic and clergyman was no secret to the Soviet authorities, either.
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 07:18:02 PM »
Priests are in no way forbidden from being doctors. St Luke of Simferopol' was a distinguished professor of surgery in the Soviet Union, while all the time being a monk, priest, and, later, bishop. Unlike many other clergy of the time, who understandably hid their religious vocation, his status as a monastic and clergyman was no secret to the Soviet authorities, either.

I mean specialisations like proctoligist, venerologist, ginecologist and similar.

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 07:21:37 PM »
I know a deacon who's a lawyer, but would a priest be allowed to practise law? :-\
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 09:25:40 PM »
I know a deacon who's a lawyer, but would a priest be allowed to practise law? :-\

 :laugh:

Wow, I am having a hard time reconciling a deacon or priest also being a practicing lawyer.   Especially with all the anti-lawyer jokes that just ran through my head. Yikes.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 09:34:58 PM »
I know a deacon who's a lawyer, but would a priest be allowed to practise law? :-\

Fr. George Washburn in California is a former practicing lawyer (while being a priest).  I'm sure he's not the only one.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2009, 09:42:24 PM »
I know a priest who is a lawyer.
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2009, 10:25:54 PM »
Not to mention that ugly business of canon law, making all priests and bishops practitioners of law in a certain sense.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 11:17:54 PM »
My priest works for a Jewish carpenter.  :D   Just couldn't resist, y'all!
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 11:28:31 PM »
I know of a priest who is also a professional iconographer, and another priest who works in finance.
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 01:05:45 AM »
My priest works for a Jewish carpenter.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 10:27:37 PM »
I know a priest who is a software tester for one of the major computer software companies.  His undergraduate degree is in computer science and he worked for the company before going to seminary to study for the priesthood.  He worked his way through seminary (and Matushka taught school to help out also), and still has the job since he is a mission priest.  The former bishop of the diocese told mission priests that they would probably have to hold a secular job to make ends meet, as it often takes a mission a few years before they have enough money to pay the priest enough so that he doesn't have to work a secular job.  On feast days that fall on a week day, liturgy starts at 7 a.m.  Actually that works out well since people can go to liturgy before they have to be at work.  This is especially likely to happen in areas where there are not a lot of Orthodox and you have to convert people first. 

On a side note, a co-worker told me that being a software tester would be his dream job--getting to crash computers and get paid well for it!
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 10:32:39 PM »
Our Lord was born a Jew, but He died a Greek.

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Arrant nonsense. In Christianity, there is neither Jew nor Greek, etc. We are all one in Christ, irrespective of ethnic origins or gender. There is but one Orthodox Church, and the "ethnic" tag is purely jurisdictional, not doctrinal.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 10:34:20 PM »

If anybody would like an overview of the situation of the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, please see this post by one of the senior priests of the ROCA, Fr Alexander Lebedeff.   The material situation of our priests is either truly lamentable or laudably apostolic (depending on your point of view.)

https://listserv.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/wa-iub.exe?A2=ind0006A&L=ORTHODOX&P=R8636

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2009, 10:36:17 PM »
My priest works for a Jewish carpenter.

Our Lord was born a Jew, but He died a Greek.


That must have been a shock to his Jewish mother!

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 01:16:20 AM »
I know a priest who is a software tester for one of the major computer software companies.  His undergraduate degree is in computer science and he worked for the company before going to seminary to study for the priesthood.  He worked his way through seminary (and Matushka taught school to help out also), and still has the job since he is a mission priest.  The former bishop of the diocese told mission priests that they would probably have to hold a secular job to make ends meet, as it often takes a mission a few years before they have enough money to pay the priest enough so that he doesn't have to work a secular job.  On feast days that fall on a week day, liturgy starts at 7 a.m.  Actually that works out well since people can go to liturgy before they have to be at work.  This is especially likely to happen in areas where there are not a lot of Orthodox and you have to convert people first. 

On a side note, a co-worker told me that being a software tester would be his dream job--getting to crash computers and get paid well for it!
Yup, we software test engineers actually get paid pretty good money just to break a company's software (before their customers have a chance to). ;)  You make it; I'll break it. ;D
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 02:17:29 AM »
I used to break software as well to which I was quite good at doing given my Engineering background.   :D

Never quite learned how to effectively document test cases, especially ones requiring mouse input.  Argued extensively with developers over what was a click, what was a drag, what was both and what was neither.   ???

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 02:52:06 AM »
I used to break software as well to which I was quite good at doing given my Engineering background.   :D

Never quite learned how to effectively document test cases, especially ones requiring mouse input.  Argued extensively with developers over what was a click, what was a drag, what was both and what was neither.   ???
What's really fun is finding via ad hoc exploratory testing a defect that makes all the developers drop everything else they're doing to fix that bug, and they still end up spending three weeks running around like headless chickens before they finally determine the solution.  Got a lot of "Atta boys!" out of that one. ;D  I think the auto-generated defect number attached to that bug even ended in the digits 666, which only confirmed our decision to nickname it the "devil bug".  (Okay, I digress.  I suggest that if we want to continue this tangent, we may want to ask for a thread split. ;))
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 06:24:59 PM »
I know a deacon who's a lawyer, but would a priest be allowed to practise law? :-\

 :laugh:

Wow, I am having a hard time reconciling a deacon or priest also being a practicing lawyer.   Especially with all the anti-lawyer jokes that just ran through my head. Yikes.




One of the deacons at my church is a lawyer.

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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2009, 12:58:39 AM »
My priest works for a Jewish carpenter.

Our Lord was born a Jew, but He died a Greek.


That must have been a shock to his Jewish mother!

tsk tsk...everyone knows Our Lord Jesus had to be Egyptian.  Why else would the family go to Egypt?  :P ;)
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Re: Orthodox Priests with Secular Jobs
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2009, 12:39:57 AM »
I don't know if this qualifies as "secular", but our priest works full time as a high school teach at a Catholic High School. 

He teachers a variety of subjects including philosophy and religion (he is not allowed to teach "theology"-or maybe it's the other way around, he teaches theology, but is not allowed to teach about the Roman Catholic religion...I don't quite know quite how the lines can be drawn without intersecting somewhere; but he manages to make it work and is on good terms with the priest and the staff.

Father occasionally shares some of the lighter moments with us- my personal favorite was when he asked his class who knew anything about Vatican II-and one student replied that Vatican II was the Pope's summer residence...
maybe the young man was making a joke, then again, maybe not...!?!
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2009, 04:17:56 AM »
Don't forget the scientists among our bishops and priests as well.  The late ROCOR Bishop Alexander (Mileant), who reposed a few years ago, was in secular life a researcher at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.  He had a good reputation as a scientist; those with a background in physics and space-related engineering will remember his work on radio communications for the deep space network.  The fortunately not late Romanian Episcopate Archpriest Catalin Mitescu, parish priest of St. Anne's Orthodox Church in Pomona, California, is a professor emeritus of physics at Pomona University who retired a couple of years ago.  Until then, he was an active researcher who (at least in the past two decades) specialized in quantum hydrodynamics.