日本語で話したい人いませんか？

[GregoryLA]

日本語が出来る人、話そうよ！

ヨロシクです！

[Elpidophoros]

Jurisdiction: Western Japan=京都教區？

[witega]

はじめました。

なんのことを話したいですか？

[coptic orthodox boy]

i'll be able to follow the kanji, that's about it (everything else just looks like squiggles).

[GregoryLA]

Jurisdiction: Western Japan=京都教區？

The first character means "capital."  Perhaps you're thinking of Tokyo "Eastern Capital"?  It's the other one (東) that means eastern.  Western Diocese of Japan is...西日本主教区

西＝west
日本＝japan
主教＝bishop
and we use the simplified character 区 instead of the traditional 區。

[GregoryLA]

はじめました。

なんのことを話したいですか？

初めまして！

話のテーマは、何でもイイですよ！どこで日本を習いましたか？

[witega]

京都＝きょうと　－関西に前の首都です。
教区＝diocese?　教会の専門語があまりわかりません。

僕はテキサスのダラスに住んでます。ここも日本語を勉強してきます。

どうして日本にいますか？

[GregoryLA]

京都＝きょうと　－関西に前の首都です。
教区＝diocese?　教会の専門語があまりわかりません。

僕はテキサスのダラスに住んでます。ここも日本語を勉強してきます。

どうして日本にいますか？

どうして日本語が勉強したくなったんですか？自分で勉強しているんですか？もしかして、大学生かな？

僕は小学校で英語を教えていますよ。日本に来てから、もう三年が経ちましたけど。JETというプログランムで英語を教えに来たが、最初の二年間、中学校で働いていました。

[witega]

どうして日本語が勉強したくなったんですか？自分で勉強しているんですか？もしかして、大学生かな？

さぁ。それは長い物語ですね。最短の形は宮沢賢治の詩を読みたかったです。
大学生じゃありません。　「Dallas Japanese Language School」に勉強してます。学校は大抵にダラスに住んでる日本人の子供のためにある、でもアメリカ人の大人にも授業してくだります。

僕は小学校で英語を教えていますよ。日本に来てから、もう三年が経ちましたけど。JETというプログランムで英語を教えに来たが、最初の二年間、中学校で働いていました。

JETを知ってます。三年間？日本が好きかな。
どう日本にいる間に正教会に興味を待ちはじめました？

[Elpidophoros]

Jurisdiction: Western Japan=京都教區？

The first character means "capital."  Perhaps you're thinking of Tokyo "Eastern Capital"?  It's the other one (東) that means eastern.  Western Diocese of Japan is...西日本主教区

西＝west
日本＝japan
主教＝bishop
and we use the simplified character 区 instead of the traditional 區。

Tokyo=東京=江戶

京都=kyoto=平安京

My question is: in which city is the Kathedra of 西日本主教? In 京都？

[Shlomlokh]

こんにちは！

はじめまして。アンドリューです。大学に日本語を学びます。二年生です。すみませんけど日本語を良い話しません。語を愛しますよ！

[akimori makoto]

日本語が出来る人、話そうよ！

ヨロシクです！

Ee, hanashimashou!

Shigoto no konpyuutaa wo tsukatteiru no de, kana de kakemasen ne.

Boku no ichiban taisetsu na negai wa nihon ni sumu koto desu. Demo, oosutoraria no bengoshi ni wa, nihon no shuushoku ga muzukashii desu. Nani wo shita hou ga ii desu ka?

Mata, hazui no ni, boku no nihongo no nouryoku ha mainichi kieteimasu yo.

[akimori makoto]

日本語が出来る人、話そうよ！

ヨロシクです！

Ee, hanashimashou!

Shigoto no konpyuutaa wo tsukatteiru no de, kana de kakemasen ne.

Boku no ichiban taisetsu na negai wa nihon ni sumu koto desu. Demo, oosutoraria no bengoshi ni wa, nihon no shuushoku ga muzukashii desu. Nani wo shita hou ga ii desu ka?

Mata, hazui no ni, boku no nihongo no nouryoku ha mainichi kieteimasu yo.

I promise to only write in this thread from home or my iphone from now on. Romaji is Satan's work.

[Kasatkin fan]

This thread reminds me of when I could read kana (and some kanji).

So tempting to take another crack at Japanese...

[Sauron]

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[akimori makoto]

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Was this a test? Cos I think I passed? Haha.

[Sauron]

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Was this a test? Cos I think I passed? Haha.

It's the Japanese equivalent of "lol". I was laughing because a lot of the Japanese here is 女っぽい。Gregory, for example, is a lover of ending sentences with よ.

[akimori makoto]

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Was this a test? Cos I think I passed? Haha.

It's the Japanese equivalent of "lol". I was laughing because a lot of the Japanese here is 女っぽい。Gregory, for example, is a lover of ending sentences with よ.

Haha, yes, I know about www~.

I must say, I do struggle with trying to sound manly in Japanese, being too stuck in polite-form-mode.

[Sauron]

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Was this a test? Cos I think I passed? Haha.

It's the Japanese equivalent of "lol". I was laughing because a lot of the Japanese here is 女っぽい。Gregory, for example, is a lover of ending sentences with よ.

Haha, yes, I know about www~.

I must say, I do struggle with trying to sound manly in Japanese, being too stuck in polite-form-mode.

Yeah, I don't know what it is about Anglos sounding like a bunch of women when they speak Japanese. Of course, I can blame a fair amount of it on those who learn it from their girlfriends, but this is not always the case. I think the only cure is having male Japanese friends.

Two weeks from right now, I will be in Japan. I will have a few beers and speak some manly Japanese in your stead. 

[akimori makoto]

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Was this a test? Cos I think I passed? Haha.

It's the Japanese equivalent of "lol". I was laughing because a lot of the Japanese here is 女っぽい。Gregory, for example, is a lover of ending sentences with よ.

Haha, yes, I know about www~.

I must say, I do struggle with trying to sound manly in Japanese, being too stuck in polite-form-mode.

Yeah, I don't know what it is about Anglos sounding like a bunch of women when they speak Japanese. Of course, I can blame a fair amount of it on those who learn it from their girlfriends, but this is not always the case. I think the only cure is having male Japanese friends.

Two weeks from right now, I will be in Japan. I will have a few beers and speak some manly Japanese in your stead. 

Have some sake for me.

Do I start by jettisoning the polite form, except where required, and ending exclamatory statements with "ze" and "zo"?

[Sauron]

Have some sake for me.

Do I start by jettisoning the polite form, except where required, and ending exclamatory statements with "ze" and "zo"?

Ok, but everyone drinks beer or shochu. People don't walk around in straw sandals like it's 1812 because we are in 2012.

You have to have a feel for when to use polite or plain form, but "dropping" polite is not a bad way to term it. "Ze" is not so much exclamatory as used to express agreement, although I tend not to use either "ze" or "zo" very much because we speak Kansai dialect and have some different sentence-ending particles (shūjoshi). Shūjoshi are just something you have to pick up if you don't want them to sound forced.

Giving and receiving verbs are also a big point where I find learners messing up. One just cannot have natural-sounding Japanese without mastering them.

[akimori makoto]

Ok, but everyone drinks beer or shochu. People don't walk around in straw sandals like it's 1812 because we are in 2012.

I have also been to Japan on multiple occasions and understand that people are not spending the majority of their days kneeling in tatami rooms, making full-prostrations in kimono. I just happen to like sake and various other dentou-teki things.

Since real Japanese men don't drink sake, perhaps you could partake in one of their other favoured pastimes on my behalf? Not having sex with one's wife, buying crappy softcore porn from the konbini, hitting up the local indoor golf centre and spending far too much time crafting Dragonball-inspired hair all come to mind as being representative.

With that out of the way, thanks for the advice re ze/zo.

I prefer the Kansai dialect, myself. Especially the Kyoto variant.

[Sauron]

I have also been to Japan on multiple occasions and understand that people are not spending the majority of their days kneeling in tatami rooms, making full-prostrations in kimono. I just happen to like sake and various other dentou-teki things.

I am sure you had some nice vacations. Did you know there is an English word, "traditional"?

Since real Japanese men don't drink sake, perhaps you could partake in one of their other favoured pastimes on my behalf? Not having sex with one's wife, buying crappy softcore porn from the konbini, hitting up the local indoor golf centre and spending far too much time crafting Dragonball-inspired hair all come to mind as being representative.

You have mashed up a lot of different types of men. Salarymen tend not to have the Dragonball hair, for example.

With that out of the way, thanks for the advice re ze/zo.

I prefer the Kansai dialect, myself. Especially the Kyoto variant.

What particularly about Kyoto dialect? I find that there isn't that much unique to Kyoto and what is tends to be used by women. There are a few things that people saying are Kyoto dialect, such as the -haru stem, but I've heard that all over Kansai. "Kansai dialect" is a pretty broad term, so I should clarifying that mine is largely Osaka-influenced given where I have lived (Kii Peninsula). My wife is from a section of Osaka prefecture that has a notoriously coarse dialect (it was the subject of a pop song some years ago), but she speaks with an Osaka dialect that is appropriate to a well-mannered woman.

In the context of shujoshi, I am much more likely to say "de" instead of "zo". While there are books about "How to Speak Kansai-ben", I really recommend that people not try to affect a dialect. It just sounds weird. (I would have a very hard time try to speak in Tokyo dialect, which is not standard Japanese (hyoujungo)).

[akimori makoto]

I have also been to Japan on multiple occasions and understand that people are not spending the majority of their days kneeling in tatami rooms, making full-prostrations in kimono. I just happen to like sake and various other dentou-teki things.

I am sure you had some nice vacations. Did you know there is an English word, "traditional"?

Since real Japanese men don't drink sake, perhaps you could partake in one of their other favoured pastimes on my behalf? Not having sex with one's wife, buying crappy softcore porn from the konbini, hitting up the local indoor golf centre and spending far too much time crafting Dragonball-inspired hair all come to mind as being representative.

You have mashed up a lot of different types of men. Salarymen tend not to have the Dragonball hair, for example.

With that out of the way, thanks for the advice re ze/zo.

I prefer the Kansai dialect, myself. Especially the Kyoto variant.

What particularly about Kyoto dialect? I find that there isn't that much unique to Kyoto and what is tends to be used by women. There are a few things that people saying are Kyoto dialect, such as the -haru stem, but I've heard that all over Kansai. "Kansai dialect" is a pretty broad term, so I should clarifying that mine is largely Osaka-influenced given where I have lived (Kii Peninsula). My wife is from a section of Osaka prefecture that has a notoriously coarse dialect (it was the subject of a pop song some years ago), but she speaks with an Osaka dialect that is appropriate to a well-mannered woman.

In the context of shujoshi, I am much more likely to say "de" instead of "zo". While there are books about "How to Speak Kansai-ben", I really recommend that people not try to affect a dialect. It just sounds weird. (I would have a very hard time try to speak in Tokyo dialect, which is not standard Japanese (hyoujungo)).

Dude, you know you are really alienating.

You don't know how to pass over the slightest triviality with which you disagree without making a point of showcasing your superior knowledge (as if I didn't realise salarymen don't have DBZ hair?), and you can't even allow me to express myself in the way in which I choose (like by using the word "dentou-teki" I've revealed myself as a stereotypical internet weeaboo that speaks with a hideous accent and desperately pines for a Japanese girlfriend).

I don't know if your way of interacting is normal where you come from, but it would be considered emotionally retarded in my circles (even amongst the hideous type-A personalities I am required to deal with in the law).

It's really a shame, as I suspect I could learn a lot from you (I already have). You are obviously a man of learning and experience, and quite charitable when you wish to be.

[Sauron]

Dude, you know you are really alienating.

You don't know how to pass over the slightest triviality with which you disagree without making a point of showcasing your superior knowledge (as if I didn't realise salarymen don't have DBZ hair?), and you can't even allow me to express myself in the way in which I choose (like by using the word "dentou-teki" I've revealed myself as a stereotypical internet weeaboo that speaks with a hideous accent and desperately pines for a Japanese girlfriend).

I don't know if your way of interacting is normal where you come from, but it would be considered emotionally retarded in my circles (even amongst the hideous type-A personalities I am required to deal with in the law).

It's really a shame, as I suspect I could learn a lot from you (I already have). You are obviously a man of learning and experience, and quite charitable when you wish to be.

I don't prohibit you from expressing yourself. In any event, you can be a weeaboo or you can have a Japanese girlfriend, but you can't have both. I think I have given this advice before, but since you have been so explicit in your intentions, I thought it bore repeating. Thank you for your other comments and advice.

Back to the merits, what do you like best about Kyoto dialect?

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