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The Vladimir Moss Mess
« on: December 02, 2003, 09:03:29 AM »
OK, so I'm in this long-winded discussion of 1066 and all that on the e-Cafe, and Vladimir Moss's name keeps coming up because he seems to be the locus of a lot of the "Saxon Orthodoxy" cant. And now my wife directs me to another E-Cafe post indicating he's been excommunicated from ROAC! A little further probing turned up this report of a ROAC synod in which Moss is discussed toward the end, and also an interview from Romanitas in which the subject of "name-worship" comes up about halfway through.


Am I correct that he has gone on to TOC? And what-in-the-heck is "name worship"?
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2003, 11:44:08 AM »
Name-worship was a heresy that afflicted Mount Athos around the turn of the last century - I think it said one didn't need the Liturgy, office or other acts, just praying the Name of Jesus.
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2003, 11:46:36 AM »
Name-worship was a heresy that afflicted Mount Athos around the turn of the last century - I think it said one didn't need the Liturgy, office or other acts, just praying the Name of Jesus.

That doesn't have anything to do with the idea that one should not continually say the Jesus Prayer without "Spiritual Father Supervision" does it?
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2003, 11:59:16 AM »
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That doesn't have anything to do with the idea that one should not continually say the Jesus Prayer without "Spiritual Father Supervision" does it?

I don't know - it might! Though Athos probably had a lot of monks who in theory could have prevented that. Then again, Athos hasn't got an exclusive claim to infallibility apart from church infallibility so it fell for this.
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2003, 03:49:00 PM »
OK, I guess I userstand this somewhat.

But if some brave person dares to read this stuff-- from what little I understood, V. Moss seemed to be arguing against name-worship. Can someone explain??

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2003, 04:49:16 PM »
Are the priest hermit monks on Mt Athos and hermits in general permitted to serve Divine Litugry? I know in Orthodoxy a priest may not serve Liturgy alone, but would the priest monks be given a "dispensation"?

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Name-worship was a heresy that afflicted Mount Athos around the turn of the last century - I think it said one didn't need the Liturgy, office or other acts, just praying the Name of Jesus.
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2003, 12:02:02 AM »
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Romanitas. Has any particular principle governed your life as an Orthodox Christian?

VM. Apart from the commandments of Christ and the teaching of the holy apostles and fathers, the words spoken to me by Metropolitan Philaret of New York in 1977: “Vladimir, I advise you always to remain loyal to the anathema hurled against the Soviet church by the Catacomb Church.”

Ah . . . words to live by!  :P

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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2003, 06:04:38 PM »
Name-worship was a heresy that afflicted Mount Athos around the turn of the last century - I think it said one didn't need the Liturgy, office or other acts, just praying the Name of Jesus.

I read about that recently in Contemporary Ascetics of Mount Athos.  I think Elder Callinicus was the major refuter of the heresy.  I read most of the practitioners of Name Worship went to the Caucasus.

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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2003, 06:07:55 PM »
Dear Nicodemus,

Could you tell us more about this heresy, or direct us to other internet/print sources for information?  I'd like to learn more about this.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2015, 05:59:48 AM »
Dear Nicodemus,

Could you tell us more about this heresy, or direct us to other internet/print sources for information?  I'd like to learn more about this.

Nicodemus asked me to get you that info, and I put it on a sticky note so that I would remember to do it, but somehow the sticky note got stuck to the bottom of a Men's Fitness magazine from 2003 and stored in the closet. Anyway, now that I've found it I can finally help you with this very special link. Hope this helps, and thank you for your patience in this matter.

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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2015, 07:19:50 AM »
Dear Nicodemus,

Could you tell us more about this heresy, or direct us to other internet/print sources for information?  I'd like to learn more about this.

There was a thread on it here a while ago. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,20389.0.html
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Re: The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2015, 08:46:28 AM »
nvm
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Re:The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2015, 11:10:48 AM »
Dear Nicodemus,

Could you tell us more about this heresy, or direct us to other internet/print sources for information?  I'd like to learn more about this.

Nicodemus asked me to get you that info, and I put it on a sticky note so that I would remember to do it, but somehow the sticky note got stuck to the bottom of a Men's Fitness magazine from 2003 and stored in the closet. Anyway, now that I've found it I can finally help you with this very special link. Hope this helps, and thank you for your patience in this matter.

I'm really glad you're back!  :-*
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Re: The Vladimir Moss Mess
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2015, 11:29:36 AM »
Well, I'm an idiot. I didn't realize that I replying to a super old thread lol.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM »
Well, I'm an idiot. I didn't realize that I replying to a super old thread lol.

It's happened to many of us.  :)
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2015, 12:20:45 PM »
Well, I'm an idiot. I didn't realize that I replying to a super old thread lol.

It's happened to many of us.  :)

Yeah hehe. :)
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