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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2004, 02:03:29 AM »
A little Latin never hurt anybody!!  :P
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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2004, 09:51:57 AM »
MOR: depends on who the "little Latin" is.  ;)
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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2004, 02:53:47 PM »
A little Latin never hurt anybody!!  :P

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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2004, 06:23:48 PM »
Why on earth would we have any part of the liturgy in a dead foreign language?  I look at it this way - the apostles had the liturgy in the vernacular - the GREEKS still do, so why on earth shouldn't we have it in a language collectively spoken?

I thought that the Greeks (in Greece) celebrate the Divine Liturgy in Byzantine Greek????

I wouldn't be so sure that Latin is a dead language.  There are some "nuts" on the internet that have latin only discussions.  It could catch on!  Too bad I'm too lazy to knuckle down and learn the language well myself.  

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I have no problem with masses in Latin for those who know Latin, but how many Americans do you know who speak Latin?  Most can't even speak proper English!  I’m not saying we should have an ebonics or a dialect driven liturgy, but lets at least have it in something were people know the words :).
 

Latin is making a comeback in school--not just the Vulgate stuff either, Classical too.  It's about time!  You have just justified the use of ebonics and some forms of English that sounds like it came out of MTV!  How about a rap mass?  I went to a youth mass that had a rock band playing . . . darned near turned me into an SSPX'er!

One thing MOST people forget, the Fathers of Vatican II called for the preservation of Latin in the liturgy and the reinstitution of Gregorian Chant in the mass to be sung by the congregation.  Gregorian chant can be sung in English.  And most sheep in the pew can learn a few latin phrases of the "Et cum spiritu tuo" variety.  It's a matter of obedience.  One of the reforms Pope St. Pius X had left incomplete upon his death was the full re-institution of Gregorian Chant.  So what do we get instead?  David Hass music.  Horrible!

So I assert that AmChurch and the rest of the liberal ne'er do wells, especially those (Yccch! the word chokes in my throat as I say it!) "Liturgists"are in massive disobedience to Vatican II.  And having Latin in the liturgy doesn't mean that there is no English (which would be fine by me!) in the liturgy.

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I mean is so very wrong to make the liturgy relevant to those who are participating?

Marie Antoinette said "Let them eat cake."  I say "let them eat a Latin-Engish missal!" ;D

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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2004, 10:03:12 PM »
JBC: but how moved by the spirit of God can a person be if they must keep track of where they are on the page - and on what page in the book?  Maybe it's because I take my faith very personally, but I like to pray and contemplate my Lord during the Liturgy.  I think what needs to be done is quite simple - find the balance. :)


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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2004, 01:08:23 AM »
MOR: depends on who the "little Latin" is.  ;)

Implying what, exactly?  :P
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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2004, 09:58:15 AM »
msG. - meaning that some "little latins" - Oscar D Lahoya hurt a few more people than your average  little latin ;)
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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2004, 10:52:57 AM »
Latin is making a comeback in school--not just the Vulgate stuff either, Classical too.  It's about time!

Yeah. I remember when I was in high school the vulgar latin was used by the egghead kids to insult each....er...umm... Oh! "VULGATE" Latin. Nevermind.  ;D

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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2004, 12:01:46 PM »
I thought that the Greeks (in Greece) celebrate the Divine Liturgy in Byzantine Greek????

I wouldn't be so sure that Latin is a dead language.  There are some "nuts" on the internet that have latin only discussions.  It could catch on!  Too bad I'm too lazy to knuckle down and learn the language well myself.    


The Greek Orthodox Church in Greece most certainly does celebrate the Divine Liturgy in Koine Greek, which is akin to the Slavs celebrating the DL in Slavonic and Italian RC traditionalists celebrating the Mass in Latin.  You can sort of follow along, but not quite.


Latin is a dead language because it is not the primary language taught to children anymore.  It's a language that one learns after one's "native tongue".
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Re:ALL or MANY?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2004, 03:06:28 PM »
Latin is a dead language because it is not the primary language taught to children anymore.  It's a language that one learns after one's "native tongue".

I want to learn Latin so that I can teach it to my children as their primary language.  ESL will have lots of fun with them!  :)
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