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« on: September 04, 2009, 08:56:14 PM »

Hello all,

I was recently browsing at orthodoxbookstore.org in their liturgical books section since I'm think about buying the Holy Psalmody book but while checking out other books I came across a book that is part of the Coptic Offices series and one of them contains outside the church services and that one contains "prayer of bathing, the betrothal, blessing of homes and the memorial service for funerals." Now, I'm curious about the bathing prayer. What is this prayer and how is it used? Is it used for bathing in general or is it a certain type of bathing done before prayer or something? Here is the link to the book: http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/thecopticoffices-outsidechurchservices.aspx Can somebody post the text of this prayer with explanation please? I would appreciate it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 10:45:37 PM »

Hello all,

I was recently browsing at orthodoxbookstore.org in their liturgical books section since I'm think about buying the Holy Psalmody book but while checking out other books I came across a book that is part of the Coptic Offices series and one of them contains outside the church services and that one contains "prayer of bathing, the betrothal, blessing of homes and the memorial service for funerals." Now, I'm curious about the bathing prayer. What is this prayer and how is it used? Is it used for bathing in general or is it a certain type of bathing done before prayer or something? Here is the link to the book: http://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/thecopticoffices-outsidechurchservices.aspx Can somebody post the text of this prayer with explanation please? I would appreciate it.

Dear Andrew, peace and grace to you.

The Bathing Prayer is a set prayer of Thanksgiving to God for the safe delivery of a baby and occurs on the eighth day irregardless of whether the baby is a boy or girl. The prayer occurs in the home of the parents with a normal baby bath tub and warm water. The prayer follows the standard, Lord's prayer, thanksgiving prayer, psalm 51, raising of incense (as in Matins). The priest 'washes' the baby in the bath and hands the child back to his/her mother/father. Prayer concludes with the Lord's Prayer. Unfortunately I do not have an electronic copy only the hard paper copies. The bathing prayer is -not- considered a baptism nor a replacement for baptism.

Perhaps others could go deeper into the ritual, but that basically is it.

Pray for me.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 11:25:23 PM »

Very interesting, Father. We also have a prayer on the 8th day after birth, but its focus is the giving of the baby's name.

Here's a question: Do you have a similar rite of washing for the 8th day after Baptism? We do, but nowadays it is done at the end of the Baptismal ceremony itself, along with the tonsure. No waiting.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 01:54:30 AM »

Very interesting, Father. We also have a prayer on the 8th day after birth, but its focus is the giving of the baby's name.

Here's a question: Do you have a similar rite of washing for the 8th day after Baptism? We do, but nowadays it is done at the end of the Baptismal ceremony itself, along with the tonsure. No waiting.

Dear pensateomnia, peace and grace to you.

Over the years I have seen very many similar practices between the Greeks and the Copts where 'the rubber hits the road', this is now another. :-) Thank you. As to your question about a washing 8 days after baptism I do not recall ever seeing such, we do place a red ribbon around the baptized which is removed at the end of the service after they have communed the prescious Gems of Christ.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »

That is interesting. Thank you for your answer Father.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 06:07:38 PM »

I have another question on Coptic practice...

Who decides the readings for the liturgy?
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 07:40:16 PM »

I have another question on Coptic practice...

Who decides the readings for the liturgy?

I'm sure it's the same in the Coptic Church but the EO Church, the readings are based off of a lectionary which contains the appointed readings that are to be done in the cycles of the liturgical year.

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Lectionary
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 02:10:12 PM »

I have another question on Coptic practice...

Who decides the readings for the liturgy?

Daily readings can be found at copticchurch.net .

The full set of lectionary volumes can be downloaded from www.stmaryscopticorthodox.ca/lectionary
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