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« on: September 04, 2009, 10:34:00 AM » |
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I do not yet have a clear understanding of how Orthodox Christians view the Atonement. Is the Atonement understood in terms of God's justice having had to be satisfied or in terms of a ransom (Mark 10:45) being paid to Satan or is some other idea adduced? Can somebody help me out, please?
Thanks,
Mick
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2009, 10:55:29 AM » |
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There are many Scriptural metaphors that explain atonement & salvation. All of them are used within Orthodoxy, but the juridicial metaphors (appeasement of divine wrath, justice) are uncommon. The most common is that Christ's death and resurrection destroyed the power of death (the curse of the Fall), so that those who repent, believe, and are baptized and nourished by the Holy Spirit in the Church are made sons or daughters of God through adoption. Metropolitan Kallistos wrote a short and insightful book on this topic: http://www.light-n-life.com/shopping/order_product.asp?ProductNum=HOWA750 |
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But for I am a man not textueel I wol noght telle of textes neuer a deel. (Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale, 1.131)
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2009, 10:57:37 AM » |
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It's long and can get dense at times, but this previous thread on the Orthodox view of the penal satisfaction theory probably has your answers. The posts by ozgeorge on this topic are very insightful, I think. |
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 10:58:30 AM » |
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"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 11:03:00 AM » |
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"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 11:04:08 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 06:11:46 PM » |
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I do not yet have a clear understanding of how Orthodox Christians view the Atonement. Is the Atonement understood in terms of God's justice having had to be satisfied or in terms of a ransom (Mark 10:45) being paid to Satan or is some other idea adduced? Can somebody help me out, please?
Thanks,
Mick
Watch this video: (Metropolitan Kallistos Ware-Salvation in Christ - The Orthodox Approach -Lecture) it's about 90 minutes long. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1088949815257678826&ei=74-hSt2IE4KmrAKaybT5BA&q=kallistos+ware&hl=en#I didn't listen to this podcast yet, but the topic is: (Are You Saved?) http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/podup/sermonsatstnicholas/are_you_savedThis is a short 3 minute youtube vid (Are you saved? - an Orthodox Christian answer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAlCze3ZFjAAnd last but not least, Fr. Thomas Hopko talks about this issue in passing in this video: (Fr. Thomas Hopko speaks at St. Elijah about Christianity and Armageddon) about 2 hours and some minutes long. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5932925362367103900#The first video is what you want to see first, for he talks about exactly what you are asking about. So watch Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's video first. ICXC NIKA |
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"loving one's enemies does not mean loving wickedness, ungodliness, adultery, or theft. Rather, it means loving the theif, the ungodly, and the adulterer." Clement of Alexandria 195 A.D. http://ancientchristiandefender.blogspot.com/ |
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 06:47:20 PM » |
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I do not yet have a clear understanding of how Orthodox Christians view the Atonement. Is the Atonement understood in terms of God's justice having had to be satisfied or in terms of a ransom (Mark 10:45) being paid to Satan or is some other idea adduced? Can somebody help me out, please?
Thanks,
Mick
In many areas of Orthodox theology, you will find that we typically do not subscribe to an "either/or" rationale but more often an "and/also" type. This is particularly evident in our view of atonement. I think the links provided should give you good insight. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2009, 07:09:11 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 10:59:33 PM » |
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Grace and Peace,
In one sense, aren't we 'all' spared from Hades (i.e. death) because of the Resurrection? Secondly, we have the possibility of reward in heaven. So we really have 'all' been 'saved' from death and have the 'hope' of a reward in 'heaven'. One of the greatest fears of men in Jesus' time was that of the 'fear of death'. Any thoughts?
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St Basil the Great (330-379 A.D.): “I think then that the one goal of all who are really and truly serving the Lord ought to be to bring back to union the churches who have at different times and in diverse manners divided from one another.”
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 11:31:04 PM » |
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I do not yet have a clear understanding of how Orthodox Christians view the Atonement. Is the Atonement understood in terms of God's justice having had to be satisfied or in terms of a ransom (Mark 10:45) being paid to Satan or is some other idea adduced? Can somebody help me out, please?
Thanks,
Mick
Ummmm, how the Atonement is understood in the East is really rather diverse. We speak of humanity being imbued with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and His grace because of the Incarnation. We speak of the Word sanctifying the various parts of our lives by living them out in a perfectly holy fashion. We speak of Christ defeating death by dying without death being able to ultimately hold Him. We speak of Christ tricking the devil through the ransom theory. Etc. |
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