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Offline The Caffeinator

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Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« on: November 27, 2003, 05:12:03 PM »
I've heard that Islam's Salat (the prayer they pray five times a day) is liturgical, like the Divine Office.

My question is, if Islam is a Christian heresy, is their Salat a perversion of Eastern offices, and if so, which one?

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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2003, 09:58:33 PM »
I was told that Islam is a Christian heresy closely linked with the Arian heresy, that denied the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is obvious that from reading the Qu'ran and the sayings of the "Prophet" that he had some what of an imperfect knowledge of Christianity.

If you look at Islam and her prayers and traditions you can often see what seems to be perverted Christianity.

One time I was at a mosque during Ramadan and was listening to a man, I asume he was the Imam, chanting verses from the Qu'ran. I was shocked when I realized how similar his chanting was to the chanting I hear at Divine Liturgy. It seemed too much like byzantine chant, it was quite scary.

Also Muslims, pray five times a day, as you mentioned. Praying at fixed times during the day is not of Islamic orgin but rather of Jewish and eventually Christian origin.

It might also be pointed out that Muslims postrate when they pray, once again postrations find their roots in ancient Judasim and of course Orthodox Christianity.

I think it is hard to read the Qu'ran and study the customs and rituals of Islam without seeing a hint of Chirstianity and Judaism. However it is obvious that Islam is a long way from being anything Chirstian, but I do think it is true that Islam finds its origins in Christian heresy.

As far as the prayers said during salat here is a link.....

http://www.as-sabereen.com/dosalat.htm


After looking over the prayers, I do not think these prayers are based upon Christian prayers, however not all of the prayers directly contradict Christian teaching.
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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2003, 02:50:12 AM »
Ben,
All of your observations above are very astute. Yes, Mohammed did, for a short period of time, spend some time learning about Christianity from an Orthodox priest (in Palestine, I believe.)  He came away from that experience with a highly imperfect concept of the Christian Church.
Other copied features.
1) The Hadj - the pilgrimage to Mecca copied from the same named Christian  pilgrimage to Jerusalem.
2) Prostrations in devotions.
3) Charity mirroring tithing.
4) Fasts- in an abreviated manner.
There are many more, I'm sure.

He was very good at co-opting features of competitive religions into his own manufactured one. Even Mecca and that meteorite they worship (or whatever) were "holy" to the Arabs prior to Islam. He found it easier to absorb other traditions rather than change them, aiding in spreading his new religion.
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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2003, 04:06:45 AM »
Removal of shoes before entering the temple is another thing taken from the early Christian church. I'm not sure why this practice has ceased in the church.

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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2003, 04:23:55 PM »
I've tended to see Islamic chant as similiar to chants of the Oriental and Assyrian Churches, not the Byzantine tradition, though I've noticed this (similiarities with Byzantine chant) has been the perception of several individuals.

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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2003, 06:36:34 PM »
Removal of shoes before entering the temple is another thing taken from the early Christian church. I'm not sure why this practice has ceased in the church.

John.

It hasn't. My local GOA cathedral always has a large number of Ethiopian (Coptic) Chrisitians for Divine Liturgy. They ALWAYS take off there shoes before entering the church.
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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2003, 02:57:34 PM »
In the Coptic Church was always take off our shoes before entering the Communion rooms or Sanctuaries, but we usually don't bother before entering the Church anymore, although a lot of us try to take them off as soon as we're inside.

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Re:Islamic Salat and non-Chalcedonian Offices
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2003, 05:48:14 PM »
Removal of shoes before entering the temple is another thing taken from the early Christian church. I'm not sure why this practice has ceased in the church.

John.

Not in the True Church it hasn't.  :P

Pray without shoes, even in church, and wash your hands before prayer.  You might be surprised at the difference it makes.
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