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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2012, 06:12:40 PM »

...and my wife is Korean-American.

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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2012, 06:19:25 PM »

All of this exists because people, particularly the Scots Irish, didn't always care or know about their histories.  You're absolutely right about it not being limited to Orthodoxy though.  Are people intensely proud of their ancestry, or an imagined ancestry?  If so, why?  I'm just saying, a lot of these connections seem forced.

This is the case of all national identities- myth and all that. Any time Iranians talk about Cyrus and Darius or Russians invoke Prince Vladimir they're doing the same thing.

Agreed.  It's just what I saw going on here.  Well, that and Ulster Scots are troubled souls, so I had to argue stuff and cause friction.
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« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2012, 08:26:46 PM »

Should anyone be interested and have a little over an hour to dedicate, here is a documentary based on the book that was mentioned in an earlier post:

Born Fighting- How the Ulster-Scots Shaped America narrated by the very author of the book of the same name, Senator James Webb (D-Virginia).

I've not watched the entire production yet, but I have read the book.  Although it was engaging and quite fascinating, at times Mr. Webb seemed to take a few liberties.  Also, there were times when I wondered if I was reading a book about the Scots-Irish or the effects of the War Between the States.  Those parts, while interesting, seemed to detract from the subject.  A different book, and in some ways more balanced, is The Scotch-Irish: A Social History by James G. Leyburn.  At any rate, I hope you enjoy the documentary.

I've also included a shorter BBC documentary entitled Dawn of the Ulster Scots.

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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2012, 01:10:29 AM »

Should anyone be interested and have a little over an hour to dedicate, here is a documentary based on the book that was mentioned in an earlier post:

Born Fighting- How the Ulster-Scots Shaped America narrated by the very author of the book of the same name, Senator James Webb (D-Virginia).

I've not watched the entire production yet, but I have read the book.  Although it was engaging and quite fascinating, at times Mr. Webb seemed to take a few liberties.  Also, there were times when I wondered if I was reading a book about the Scots-Irish or the effects of the War Between the States.  Those parts, while interesting, seemed to detract from the subject.  A different book, and in some ways more balanced, is The Scotch-Irish: A Social History by James G. Leyburn.  At any rate, I hope you enjoy the documentary.

I've also included a shorter BBC documentary entitled Dawn of the Ulster Scots.



I saw the documentary by Sen. Webb and I thought that it was pretty interesting. I might still have it on my DVR... perhaps I'll watch it again when I get home.
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2012, 01:25:29 AM »

Genuine question and sorry to keep popping up on here, but how can the Ulster-Scots have a 4,000 history? 

They weren't Ulster-Scots until they got to Ulster.  Part of what Sen. Webb argues is that it's their specific history (border Scots, transplanted to N Ireland, and then elsewhere, along with associated conflicts) that made them distinct.  If their history is tied closely with previously just being Scots, and before that Irish, then what's the point of distinguishing any of it?  Make sense? 

It's like saying "4,000 years of Lebanese American History"

I know I'm being too picky.
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