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Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« on: May 24, 2015, 08:49:05 AM »
I've been praying every prayer in the Prayers after waking and the Prayers before going to bed. Is this how it's supposed to be done? Or are you supposed to select only a few prayers to say?
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2015, 09:10:11 AM »
I think it commendable to pray all the prayers but not neccessary if you are pressed for time.  But since you are able to pull it off, I would stick to it if the burden is not bothersome.  However, ultimately, this is something to work out with your priest; do you have one yet?  Are you formally a catechumen?  If so, you should establish your prayer rule with him.  In the interim, until you have a priest (assuming you don't), if you find comfort in praying the entire set of prayers I would do that.

Once you're baptized or chrismated, I would say it's commendable if you do the full preparatory prayers for the Eucharist contained in the Jordanville Book, with the Akathists et cetera, which is something many people, myself included, usually do not do (I wish I did however, but of late as Ive been recovering from this illness I generally only know if I can make it into Church on Sunday morning).
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 10:50:50 AM »
In the Jordanville Horologion, those prayers are said during the Midnight Service and Compline, and at least at Compline under the title of "prayers before sleep".

So, in the strict sense of the word, yes, that is when those prayers should optimally be recited. However, prayer books are not Horologions, designed with specific times in mind. Morning prayers should simply be recited in the Morning, and Evening prayers in the Evening.

If you're still feeling a little confused, talk to your elder about a prayer rule. You should do so anyways.

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2015, 11:54:43 AM »
I've been praying every prayer in the Prayers after waking and the Prayers before going to bed. Is this how it's supposed to be done? Or are you supposed to select only a few prayers to say?

My understanding is that you're supposed to say them all- it takes about 20-30 minutes in my experience. However your personal practice may vary based on your circumstances and the advice of your priest.

I would also add that the Jordanville Prayer Book represents one Orthodox prayer tradition which emerged in the Russian church. IMO it's a pretty heavy rule to start with. 
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 12:08:58 PM »
A very user friendly Prayerbook for beginners is Praying with the Orthodox Tradition, which has prayers for different times of day and a nice Foreword by Kallistos Ware.
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2015, 12:12:21 PM »
I've been praying every prayer in the Prayers after waking and the Prayers before going to bed. Is this how it's supposed to be done? Or are you supposed to select only a few prayers to say?

My understanding is that you're supposed to say them all. However your personal practice may vary based n your circumstances and the advice of your priest.

Saying them all might be the ideal but I don't think many laymen are able to keep a habit like that on an everyday level. I assume most priests would be happy if their parishioners prayed at least something regularly. That something might vary from numerous long prayers to just a few short ones.
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2015, 12:13:39 PM »
I've been praying every prayer in the Prayers after waking and the Prayers before going to bed. Is this how it's supposed to be done? Or are you supposed to select only a few prayers to say?

My understanding is that you're supposed to say them all. However your personal practice may vary based n your circumstances and the advice of your priest.

Saying them all might be the ideal but I don't think many laymen are able to keep a habit like that on an everyday level. I assume most priests would be happy if their parishioners prayed at least something regularly. That something might vary from numerous long prayers to just a few short ones.

Yeah, my understanding is that the heavy rule of the Jordanville book springs from a fairly recent attempt in the Russian church to get the laity to pray more like monastics.

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2015, 01:26:56 PM »
I think I am being called to a monastic role, so I'm fine with the heavy prayer load. I'm using it also to see if this is truly what God is calling me towards (I know, Hyperdox Herman, not even Chrismated and thinking about monasticism)
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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 04:06:48 PM »
My baptismal priest(ROCOR) said to start with one of the numbered prayers(I-X), instead of all ten.

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Re: Jordanville Prayer Book Morning and Evening prayers
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 05:09:12 PM »
I think I am being called to a monastic role, so I'm fine with the heavy prayer load. I'm using it also to see if this is truly what God is calling me towards ...

My spiritual father has encouraged all of us to read all of the ten prayers in the Morning and Evening Prayers from the Jordanville Prayer Book. Although these prayers may seem repetitious, each prayer is worded differently by different saints, and they are addressed to different persons: Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Most Holy Theotokos, our Guardian Angels, etc.. Besides, the continual spirit of repentance helps us to amend our lives.
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