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« on: November 25, 2003, 10:41:03 PM »

I was involved in this discussion on another board and seeing as how this forum is made up mostly of those of the GREEK and SYRIAN traditions, I figure this would be an interesting question to pose here.  I have heard it declared that the NT was not actually in Greek originally, but was translated into Greek from Aramaic.  I do not agree, but it was an interesting discussion none the less Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 10:42:26 PM »

whoo hoo! 100% agree with me! Oh wait  . . . . 100% IS me!! Grin
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2003, 01:40:07 AM »

I've always heard that the entire NT was written originally in Greek, although the Gospel of Saint Matthew might be the exception.  Saint Thomas the Apostle is supposed to have brought a copy of this Gospel in Hebrew to India with him.  Whether it (Matthew) was actually in Hebrew or Aramaic, I'm not sure.  I've heard both.  But the one Thomas brought to India was, according to my sources, written in Hebrew.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2003, 10:00:22 AM »

I've always heard that the entire NT was written originally in Greek, although the Gospel of Saint Matthew might be the exception.  

I have heard the same thing.  What about the Epistle to the Hebrews?
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2003, 10:08:12 AM »

Hebrews...now that's an interesting thought: an epistle to the Hebrews written in Greek!  It's possible, though I've only heard about Matthew being in a non-Greek language.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2003, 04:13:41 PM »

The original language of Matthew is almost assuredly not greek, and I have thought about Hebrews myself, but if I am not mistaken, Hebrews was written to Diaspora Jews, not palestinians.  I'm going to have to go back now and check.  Thanks! As if I don't have enough to do!! Grin this is going to nag and nag and nag . . .
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2003, 04:23:08 PM »

okay a quick web chack shows that Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians abroad and as such was written in Greek.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2003, 06:39:47 PM »

so none of the syrians hold to the Aramaic original language theory?
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2003, 11:14:13 PM »

Most of the NT was written in Greek. But the Gospels would have been a translation of the language Jesus and the apostles spoke while ministering to the Jews which was probably aramaic.
So no matter how you slice it Jesus' words were being translated from one language and culture into another culture's language.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2003, 12:20:33 AM »

poly: true.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2003, 12:39:53 AM »

Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History (Book 3, Chapter 24), says of St. Matthew's Gospel that the saint "committed it to writing in his native tongue."

Of course, St. Matthew's "native tongue" was probably Aramaic, although Eusebius apparently thought it was Hebrew:

"Matthew also having first proclaimed the gospel in Hebrew . . . " (ibid).

So, did St. Matthew write his gospel in Aramaic or Hebrew?

Your guess is as good as mine.

I messed up my vote, BTW. I should have hit "Mostly Greek," but hit "Other" instead.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2003, 12:57:07 AM »

linus: An honest mistake I guess with them right NEXT to each other on the list.  ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2003, 01:05:47 AM »

linus: An honest mistake I guess with them right NEXT to each other on the list.  ?

I worked all day today cutting wood for my woodstove. My hand is a little shakey (as are my legs and back - ouch!).  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2003, 01:13:27 AM »

My dear Br. Max, OFC
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2003, 01:17:22 AM »

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