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« on: August 18, 2009, 05:45:04 PM »

http://www.newsweek.com/id/212155

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America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 07:43:03 PM »

Not surprising. America becomes more and more and anti-Christian nation day by day. The sad thing is that these people view it as something progressive. Lord have mercy
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 08:23:52 PM »

Toleration, at any cost, has replaced truth.  However, there can be no toleration for those espouse truth.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 08:25:04 PM »


Gosh. This story is so misinformative, I don't know where to start. Cheesy

"A Hindu believes there are many paths to God. Jesus is one way, the Qur'an is another, yoga practice is a third. None is better than any other; all are equal. The most traditional, conservative Christians have not been taught to think like this."

What the article doesn't say, is that many of the most traditional, conservative Hindus haven't been taught to think like this, either, for various reasons. Hard-core Vaishnavas (devotees of Krishna) point to the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna says that all paths lead to him.
 
Even less conservative Hindus would say that there are many ways to God, but that doesn't mean that you can just do anything you want and still reach the Goal (whether that Goal is conceptualized as fellowship with God, communion with God, union with God, or realization of the Transcendent). Reaching the Goal requires, at minimum, relinquishment of the self-contraction of selfishness. This relinquishment may indeed take many forms, but you can't avoid that relinquishment, which is a narrow gate indeed.

What complicates this issue is that for many Hindus someone may be Muslim in this life -- and that's fine -- but in a future life, that person might practice Hinduism, which then takes the person to the Goal. So, Islam would be seen as a path to God, but not the 'ultimate' path.

Hindus who really practice Hinduism are not 'indifferentists'. You can't be 'indifferent' and non-chalant if you are a serious disciple of yoga, whether bhakti yoga, jnana yoga, or hatha yoga. There's a huge difference between saying everyone may (eventually) reach God; and saying that it doesn't matter what you do, you will reach God.

"Then there's the question of what happens when you die. Christians traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they comprise the "self," and that at the end of time they will be reunited in the Resurrection. You need both, in other words, and you need them forever. Hindus believe no such thing. At death, the body burns on a pyre, while the spirit—where identity resides—escapes. In reincarnation, central to Hinduism, selves come back to earth again and again in different bodies."

This paragraph implies that at the Resurrection, each person is simply given back their physical bodies, whereas I'm pretty sure Orthodox teaching emphasizes the glorified nature of the resurrected body, which won't simply be a replica of our present physical bodies.

Likewise, the point in Hinduism is to not keep coming back to earth again and again, getting new bodies. Instead, the Goal involves ending the reincarnation process completely. For those Hindus who believe in God as a Person, the end of the reincarnation process involves spending eternity, in a spiritual body of some sort, in fellowship with God.

Somebody should school these people before letting them run loose in the printing press. laugh



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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 08:32:12 PM »

P.S. One of the major schools of Hinduism, that of Madhva, teaches that some people will reach the Goal, but some will not. That is, not everyone will "be saved". But do we ever hear about this form of Hinduism from Newsweek? Noooooooooo....I wonder why? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 08:33:00 PM »

And such is the reason our parish's college group recently decided to do a two-month study on Orthodoxy's perspective of world religions... using the book Encountering World Religions, An Orthodox Christian Perspective  by Alexander Goussetis  as a springboard.  

I personally have a long history with Hinduism (and eastern religions in general).  In fact, when I first encountered Orthodoxy, I was just beginning the process of initiation from a Hindu guru.  Glory be to God that I was rescued by the Holy Spirit and instead found myself becoming a catechumen in Orthodoxy.



News articles such as this remind me of SO MANY THINGS that Father Seraphim Rose stated in his book Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future:


Hinduism - The Power of the Pagan Gods
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388456
Hinduism's Assault Upon Christianity
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388458
The Attractions of Hinduism
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388460
A War of dogma
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388461
Hindu Places and Practices
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388462
Evangelizing the West
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388463
The Goal of Hinduism: The Universal Religion
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388464
Eastern Meditation Invades Christianity
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388469
"Christian Yoga"
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388470
"Christian Zen"
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388471
Transcendental Meditation
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/hinduism_e.htm#_Toc63388472



Quite interesting that this book by Fr Seraphim has been so easily dismissed and cast aside as being very dated/obsolete...
(on this very forum)
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,20265.0.html


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"Lord... through the prayers of... Blessed Seraphim Rose... have mercy on us and save us, for You are good and love mankind."
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