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« on: August 09, 2009, 04:30:22 PM »

I've made a couple of trips to the closest OCA parish (well, at an hour and a half away it's the closest parish, period) for Vespers. I've enjoyed it, but I have a question — at the only point where the service is not in English, what language is it in? Greek? Slavonic?

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 05:10:36 PM »

Church Slavonic I suppose.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 06:18:43 PM »

yes, most likely Slavonic.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 06:42:35 PM »

Curious, which part is that?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 06:46:50 PM »

I suppose I could say "during the prayers," but that's assumed. Halfway through the service.

I understood "kyrie eleison" from my high church protestant days, but that was it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 07:13:59 PM »

Probably talking about the Litany after the Prokimenon that has three Lord Have Mercy responses.  Usually the OCA will do this in English then Greek then Slavonic then Romanian. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 07:27:36 PM »

If it was in multiple languages you may have heard:

Lord Have Mercy (English)
Kyrie Eleison (Greek)
Gospodi Pomiluj (Church Slavonic)
Doamne miluieşte (Romanian)
Ya Rabb urḥam (Arabic)
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 08:46:44 PM »

Or Hospodi Pomiluj, not everyone in the world is a Muscovite and uses the G.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 08:53:12 PM »

That would be the Litany of Fervent Supplication that has the triple Lord Have Mercies and you'll find the OCA using several languages for them at this point in the service.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 09:29:47 PM »

If it was in multiple languages you may have heard:

Lord Have Mercy (English)
Kyrie Eleison (Greek)
Gospodi Pomiluj (Church Slavonic)
Doamne miluieşte (Romanian)
Ya Rabb urḥam (Arabic)

I remember the English, Greek, and Romanian for sure. Thanks.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 10:02:47 PM »

At my church, we use the following sequence:  English, Greek, Spanish, Slavonic, Arabic, Romanian, German, and Swahili.  Why don't you just ask a member or the priest?  I'm sure that they could tell you.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 10:23:46 PM »

Or Hospodi Pomiluj, not everyone in the world is a Muscovite and uses the G.

some of us are not muscovite at all  Wink Wink Grin
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 03:39:52 PM »


I understood "kyrie eleison" from my high church protestant days, but that was it.

If that phrase is what was said, that is Greek.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 04:09:14 PM »

If it was in multiple languages you may have heard:

Lord Have Mercy (English)
Kyrie Eleison (Greek)
Gospodi Pomiluj (Church Slavonic)
Doamne miluieşte (Romanian)
Ya Rabb urḥam (Arabic)

Or at my parish, Greek, Arabic, Slavonic, Romanian, and Swahili (in that order).

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2009, 08:48:25 PM »

If it was in multiple languages you may have heard:

Lord Have Mercy (English)
Kyrie Eleison (Greek)
Gospodi Pomiluj (Church Slavonic)
Doamne miluieşte (Romanian)
Ya Rabb urḥam (Arabic)

Or at my parish, Greek, Arabic, Slavonic, Romanian, and Swahili (in that order).



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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2009, 09:19:56 PM »

When I chant vespers at church I use Ukrainian, Church Slavonic and English.  And not just at the Litany of Fervent Supplication.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2009, 09:53:48 PM »

Probably talking about the Litany after the Prokimenon that has three Lord Have Mercy responses.  Usually the OCA will do this in English then Greek then Slavonic then Romanian. 

Why would "the OCA" "usually" do it in 4 different languages....because YOUR parish does or your experience at ONE OCA parish?  Not that I would have a problem with this, but I would assume it would vary as to the makeup of that individual parish.  My parish doesn't vary languages for that litany.  We usually do it in English, but sometimes Slavonic or even Greek.  But that is MY parish.  I wouldn't assume others would do the same.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2009, 10:03:38 PM »

Probably talking about the Litany after the Prokimenon that has three Lord Have Mercy responses.  Usually the OCA will do this in English then Greek then Slavonic then Romanian. 

Why would "the OCA" "usually" do it in 4 different languages....because YOUR parish does or your experience at ONE OCA parish?  Not that I would have a problem with this, but I would assume it would vary as to the makeup of that individual parish.  My parish doesn't vary languages for that litany.  We usually do it in English, but sometimes Slavonic or even Greek.  But that is MY parish.  I wouldn't assume others would do the same.

I don't even go to an OCA parish.  But I've been to many and most do that in the diocese of the OCA I live in. Some add other languages.  I honestly could care less if people say the Triple Lord Have Mercy in other languages during the Litany of Fervent Supplication. It's like "oh let's use this during this litany only as a museum piece."  I honestly don't find it very appealing. 
And usually because when I visit OCA parishes in my area I happen to be related to or know very well many of the people.  I sing in the choir and usually those are the languages they have listed for that litany. There is one exception in my area that is OCA that uses more than 4... and the Antiochian parish here uses English, Greek, Spanish, Swahili, Slavonic and Romanian for that litany. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2009, 11:10:25 PM »

Interesting. I have been to two OCA parishes (not that many) and neither use anything but English in Vespers or Divine Liturgy.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2009, 11:13:26 PM »

Or Hospodi Pomiluj, not everyone in the world is a Muscovite and uses the G.

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2009, 12:07:59 AM »

Or Hospodi Pomiluj, not everyone in the world is a Muscovite and uses the G.

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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2009, 09:19:21 AM »

Interesting. I have been to two OCA parishes (not that many) and neither use anything but English in Vespers or Divine Liturgy.

This is my experience also, except on rare occasions when there are speakers of a particular language in the parish, and inclusion seems to be more of a courtesy than anything else.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2009, 03:02:51 PM »

 There is one exception in my area that is OCA that uses more than 4... and the Antiochian parish here uses English, Greek, Spanish, Swahili, Slavonic and Romanian for that litany. 

I go to that OCA that uses more than 4--and that's b/c we typically DO have people in the congregation from all of those backgrounds. It's the one place we use non-English. I often wish we used languages in a few other situations (an occasional Creed and Lord's Prayer) to encourage more "ethnic" people to come to church, whether they're the 20 Greek families in town who dont come to church, or the 100s of Russian and Romanians who are around and may not even know the church exists...
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2009, 05:15:36 AM »

it depends on what "type" of EO church you go to.  Like, I go to a Russian/Serbian Orthodox church, so the parts of the liturgy that's not English is Serbian.  but, If I went to a Greek Orthodox church, that part would be in Greek, a Czech Orthodox church, it would be in Czech, a Polish Orthodox church, it would be Polish, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2009, 05:32:56 AM »

There aren't any Czech/Slovak and Polish Parishes in USA. All I managed to find is a Bishop with Polish-like last name of American Orthodox Catholic Autocephalous Church or something like that. He wears an orarion instead of omophorion but it's still a great distinction Wink.
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