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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2016, 04:27:17 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2016, 04:57:16 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2016, 11:51:11 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.
I don't.

The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2016, 11:53:06 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.
I don't.




That's not reborning ....thats undeading   

very different
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2016, 11:57:27 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2016, 12:06:19 AM »
no, man dies once only, then the judgment.

And yet Lazarus (and others) died twice.


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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2016, 11:53:18 AM »
He came to heal your bodies, not to abolish it with another body. 

The Hasidic Jews believe in reincarnation, and have developed a way to reconcile reincarnation and resurrection without abolishing the body. The precise way they do it is really not important; what's important is that there are ways to reconcile these two apparently contradictory ideas. Reconciliation seems possible, if only because of what Jesus said, concerning John the Baptist, in Matthew 11:14: "And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2016, 12:15:10 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2016, 12:33:01 PM »
He came to heal your bodies, not to abolish it with another body. 

The Hasidic Jews believe in reincarnation, and have developed a way to reconcile reincarnation and resurrection without abolishing the body. The precise way they do it is really not important; what's important is that there are ways to reconcile these two apparently contradictory ideas. Reconciliation seems possible, if only because of what Jesus said, concerning John the Baptist, in Matthew 11:14: "And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come."
Well, it is certainly possible to compatibilise whatever weird doctrine you decide to be cool enough to try to match with the Bible. There are books and books all over history where Gnostics, Kardecists and New Agers tried to do that, but it's neither in the Bible nor in the Sacred Tradition (unless, of course, in heresiology), so we shouldn't try to mess with that, specially when we're trying to exhortate a brother in doubt.

The coming of St. Elijah was fulfilled at the Transfiguration. St. John the Forerunner just figurated St. Elijah. Seriously, how would even St. Elijah reincarnate if he didn't even die in the first place?!

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2016, 12:51:42 PM »
We don't believe in reincarnation because we are not embodied souls.  Our bodies are intrinsically part of who we are as a person just as much as our souls.  To reincarnate is not merely to insult Christ's justice, but Christ's incarnation.  He was incarnate fully as we are, so each person with body and soul are not reincarnate, but have a unique salvific place in Christ's heart.  It is impossible therefore to believe in Christ's incarnation and our reincarnation.  One cancels the other out.  He came to heal your bodies, not to abolish it with another body.  To believe in reincarnation is to insult Christ's incarnation.

Yes, thank you Mina, very helpful explanation.

I used to think reincarnation was a possibility, but having learned to hate my life here prior to becoming Christian, I resolved that I never wanted to return here again. 

This was part of my calculus as a convert, that I want to be healed in this life and never have to come back and play this silly game of duality. 

I have learned a lot by God's grace since those days.  For one, to love life again, to love God is to love the life He bestows on us, to be grateful, but still I don't want reincarnation.  To be close to God is far better than anything here in this life. 

And don't we pray the Litanies all the time, "help us, save us, protect us, have mercy on us and keep us o God by Your grace."

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2016, 01:03:55 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Do you think about it every night and day?
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2016, 02:11:36 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Do you think about it every night and day?
No, but I have dreamed of growing another 8 inches taller and playing basketball alongside the likes of Bugs Bunny, Lola Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Bill Murray.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2016, 02:14:19 PM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Do you think about it every night and day?
No, but I have dreamed of growing another 8 inches taller and playing basketball alongside the likes of Bugs Bunny, Lola Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Bill Murray.

Basketball with Bill Murray would be pretty fun.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2016, 07:06:15 AM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible? Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right? Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2016, 07:12:04 AM »
This discussion might help.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2016, 07:16:03 AM »
This discussion might help.

There is no repentance after death.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2016, 07:17:28 AM »
This discussion might help.

There is no repentance after death.

You might want to read more slowly. You will understand more.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 07:44:32 AM »
This discussion might help.

There is no repentance after death.

You might want to read more slowly. You will understand more.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2016, 10:41:32 AM »
This discussion might help.

There is no repentance after death.
You can't believe both in reincarnation and that there is no repentance after death, for the two beliefs contradict each other. If we return to this world to live another life like this one, where repentance is possible, then there is repentance after death. In fact, with reincarnation there is no real sense of the concept of death.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2016, 12:19:12 AM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Do you think about it every night and day?
No, but I have dreamed of growing another 8 inches taller and playing basketball alongside the likes of Bugs Bunny, Lola Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Bill Murray.

Weren't you a bit old for Space Jam?  :P
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2016, 12:44:13 AM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Why?
Because you like the idea, or because you've seen some evidence to support it?

Because I like the idea.

In that case, I believe I'm invisible, and can fly.  :o
I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

Do you think about it every night and day?
No, but I have dreamed of growing another 8 inches taller and playing basketball alongside the likes of Bugs Bunny, Lola Bunny, Daffy Duck, and Bill Murray.

Weren't you a bit old for Space Jam?  :P
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2016, 11:00:46 AM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


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Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.



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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2016, 11:44:16 AM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


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Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2016, 01:42:43 PM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


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Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To demonstrate how God relates to time as one outside of time?
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2016, 02:39:33 PM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


Quote
Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To demonstrate how God relates to time as one outside of time?

What will you say about the days, that God created the world in the six days and He rest on the seventh day, is this not a time?

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2016, 03:06:39 PM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


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Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To demonstrate how God relates to time as one outside of time?

What will you say about the days, that God created the world in the six days and He rest on the seventh day, is this not a time?
Does God wear a wristwatch?
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2016, 03:32:34 PM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


Quote
Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To demonstrate how God relates to time as one outside of time?

What will you say about the days, that God created the world in the six days and He rest on the seventh day, is this not a time?
Does God wear a wristwatch?

No.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2016, 03:45:36 PM »
Why then it is say that some people will be still alive in the end times in the Bible?

They will. When Christ comes to the earth in his second coming. People will still be alive.


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Why then there is judgement after a person die, and again judgement after he is suffered in hell, is it right?

Interesting question. I look at it this way. When a person dies they leave creation and enter into eternity. In eternity, time and space don't exist as we know it. Time and space are part of creation and the after life doesn't yield to the laws of nature or time and space. So, its very possible that at the moment of death we enter into judgement day immediately.


Quote
Why then it will be judgement day, if there is judgement after he die?
Read above.

If there is no time in the eternity, why then it is written:

2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To demonstrate how God relates to time as one outside of time?

What will you say about the days, that God created the world in the six days and He rest on the seventh day, is this not a time?
Does God wear a wristwatch?

No.
I think, then, that you just answered your own question.
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2017, 07:05:43 AM »
Reminds me to study up on the Buddhism doctrine of Rebirth.

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Re: Do you believe in reborning?
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2017, 07:09:56 AM »
I talked with my priest, he say that there is no reincarnation.

But I still believe that there is reincarnation.

Just because a priest thinks so doesn't mean its true.