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« on: November 19, 2003, 01:55:32 PM »




Delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia Arrives in Moscow



An official visit of a delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to Russia began on 18 November. The delegation, headed by Archbishop Mark of Berlin, Germany and Great Britain, includes Archbishop Hilarion of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand, Bishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Western America, as well as Protopriests Nikolai Artemoff and Peter Holodny.

Early in the morning, the members of the delegation visited the Sretensky Monastery in Moscow, where they prayed at the relics of Holy Martyr Hilarion, and stayed for divine liturgy.

At noon, the delegation arrived in Donskoy Monastery, where they venerated the relics of Saint Patriarch Tikhon and visited his cell, where he was living under house arrest. The delegation viewed the small cathedral of Donskoy Monastery and prayed at the grave of Martyr Iakov Polozov(photo below: Donskoy Monasterycemetery).





At 1 pm, the first meeting between His Holiness Patriarch Alexy with Archbishops Mark and Hilarion and Bishop Kyrill was held at his residence. At the beginning of the meeting, the bishops from abroad presented the Patriarch with an icon of the greatpodvizhnik[laborer-in-the-Lord] of the 20th century, Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco the Miracle-worker. The icon contains a portion of the relics of St. John. During the three-hour conversation, the paths of the Russian Orthodox Church in the 20th century--so tragic for Russia--and the possibilities for spiritual unity of the Russian Orthodox Church were discussed.





Subsequently, the members of the delegation headed for Holy Trinity-St. Sergius Lavra, where they were greeted by the superior, Bishop Feognost. The hierarchs and priests of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia prayed at the relics of St. Sergius of Radonezh, St. Philaret of Moscow and many other relics(see photo above). The delegation then met with Archimandrite Matfei (Mormyl) at Holy Trinity-St. Sergius Lavra.

An official communique will be issued on the meeting between Patriarch Alexy and the delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia in the coming days. Those who wish to see photographs of the delegation's visit can see them at Sretensky Monastery.

It should be pointed out that there have been many published items, commentaries and opinions, including blatant conjecture, on the visit of the delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to Russia. For trustworthy and official information on the event, please visit the website either of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia or Sretensky Monastery.

Photos: Pravoslavie.ru
http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/english/pages/news/mketingbwithalexey.html
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2003, 02:29:36 PM »

And from the Moscow Patriarchate:

DELEGATION OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA VISITS MOSCOW

 

A delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia consisting of Archbishop Mark of Berlin and Germany, Archbishop Hilarion of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand, Bishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Western America, Archpriest Nikolai Artemoff, secretary of the German diocese and Archpriest Peter Holodny, treasurer of the Synod of Bishops, arrived in Moscow on 17 November 2003 at the invitation of the Russian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate.

On November 18 His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia received members of the delegation in episcopal rank at his working residence in Chisty Pereulok. The problems of church unity were discussed with warmth and cordiality.

 

On November 19 His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II chaired the conversations held at the Patriarchal residence in St.Daniel's Monastery between of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia in full strength and the permanent members of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church: Metropolitan Philaret of Minsk and Slutsk, Patriarchal Exarch of All Belarus, Metropolitan Juvenaly of Krutitsy and Kolomna and Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations.

Taking part in the conversation also were Archimandrite Tikhon, superior of the Moscow Sretensky Monastery and Archpriest Nikolai Balashov, DECR secretary for interOrthodox relations.

 

Both parties expressed their will to establish communion in prayer and the Eucharistic communion. It was decided to set up commissions, which would facilitate the solution of the problems accumulated during many years. The participants expressed their willingness to follow the path leading to the unity of the Church in the spirit of genuine repentance on the basis of common canonical Tradition and with respect to the ecclesiastical and administrative realities, which took shape during the 20th century. Such a rapprochement, heartily expected by the faithful of the Russian Church both in the Fatherland in diaspora, will be the most important contribution into the spiritual overcoming of the tragic consequences of the revolution of Civil War in Russia, which were tangible during the long decades of confrontation and misunderstanding.

The questions discussed at the meeting will be considered at the sessions of the Holy Synod and Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Synod of Bishops and the Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.

 

A visit of the President of the Synod of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia Metropolitan Laurus to Moscow early in 2004 will become the most important landmark on the way to unity. It is expected that during the visit an agreement will be signed, by which the canonical, pastoral and church-practical foundations of the unity of the Russian Church will be determined.

During the conversations, which were held in the warm atmosphere of mutual understanding, respect and frankness, a wish was expressed that the movement to unity should not run into new obstacles in the form of utterances or actions that might cause damage to the process of rapprochement.

While in Moscow, the delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia visited the Laura of the Holy Trinity and St.Sergius, the Moscow Monasteries and the Cathedral Church of Christ the Saviour. The delegation will stay in Moscow till November 22.


http://www.russian-orthodox-church.org.ru/ne311192.htm
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2003, 02:42:26 PM »

I pray that a true healing of the Russian Orthodox Church comes from this.  A strong healthy Orthodox Christian Russia will be a shining example to world that is in deep moral decline.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2003, 05:56:55 PM »

Good to see we sent the intelligent ones over... would hate to see Bsp. Gabe being sent over as a representative...
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2003, 09:13:04 PM »

My priest mentioned at vespers.... we've been praying for the "union of all" for a long time.  Maybe it's happened.  If anyone's been on some of the other Orthodox on-line boards, some of the nastiness that floats back and forth is appalling.  There's a lay movement in the ROCOR to stop any possible unification with the MP.  

If anyone can answer, will if the ROCOR and the MP enter into communion, then will the OCA enter into communion with the ROCOR?  I've read that the OCA just follows the MP's lead, but I would think differently, since it's an autocephalous church.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2003, 01:10:37 AM »

My priest mentioned at vespers.... we've been praying for the "union of all" for a long time.  Maybe it's happened.  If anyone's been on some of the other Orthodox on-line boards, some of the nastiness that floats back and forth is appalling.  There's a lay movement in the ROCOR to stop any possible unification with the MP.  

If anyone can answer, will if the ROCOR and the MP enter into communion, then will the OCA enter into communion with the ROCOR?  I've read that the OCA just follows the MP's lead, but I would think differently, since it's an autocephalous church.

That's a tricky question. ROCOR does not see the OCA as an autocephalous Church. This is because the OCA got its autocephalous status during the time the ROC was under communist influence. So I think ROCOR still sees the OCA as part of ROC until a All-Russian Council is called to get everything official. If you look at this address by  Archbishop Mark you will see he talks about this very topic.

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Declaration of Archbishop Mark towards the Session of the Synod of Bishops, 11/24 October 2003

I consider it important to make a declaration on the possible perspectives and aims of our ecclesiastical path, as I see it


In our understanding, there was never any doubt that we are part of the one Russian Orthodox Church. We also always recognized the Moscow Patriarchate as a different part of the same Russian Church. For this reason in practice we always recognized her Mysteries.

In our "Regulations," our authority bears a temporary character. When the regime changes in Russia and the Church acquires more freedom of action, we are called upon to participate in the process of renascence of the faith and are duty-bound, correspondingly, to seek the unity of the Russian Church.

Without a doubt, we had full authority to view the Moscow Patriarchate with great criticism even 10-15 years ago. But over this time, fundamental changes have occurred(including the change in quality and quantity of their episcopacy). Clearly, the process of recuperation has begun and is continuing. There is no basis upon which to exclude ourselves from this process, or, worse, to place ourselves in opposition to it. We are not a political organization, but the Body of Christ--and we must correspondingly treat each other as members of one Body, in the words of the Apostle:"That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it" (I Cor. 12: 25-26).


Admitting ourselves but a part of the Russian Orthodox Church, we should on the basis of canonical law of the Russian Church itself (Ukase No. 362 and others) recognize the Moscow Patriarchate as one of the self-governing parts of the same Russian Church, leaving for a future All-Russian Council to judge the possible existence of yet other parts of our one Church Body.

In the search for unity, we must not speak of "subjugation," "unification," "reunification," "swallowing up," etc., but only of the humble recognition one for another of the status of being part of the one Russian Orthodox Church. The path of seeking unity itself is conceived solely as a conciliar task, in which all parts of the one Church recognize their lineage from one wellspring, taking into account both our own path traveled over the course of the horrifying events of the 20th century, and the paths of other parts of the Russian Church, traveled in unique circumstances, circumstances yet unheard-of in their scope in the history of the Church.

At the same time we accept everything positive gained on this path, and we reject all that is negative and un-churchlike that developed in our church life, all that is alien, imposed from without. We are called upon in the present circumstances to strive for one goal: towards unity in the Mysteries, in accordance with the spirit, teaching and tradition of our Russian Orthodox Church, while preserving the unique characteristics of the ecclesiastical experiences of our paths, and on the basis of the present organically-developed structures. Our goal cannot be to erase the experience of any part of the Russian Church; it lies in the coordinated development of the missionary duty of the Church of Christ, both on our historic homeland and abroad, to the benefit of the faithful who are in the church, and who comprise, in the countries of the whole world, one flock of the Russian Church as a whole. The basis of our life, its cornerstone is Christ Himself. In Him alone can we find our unity in the struggle of faith, hope and love.

Archbishop Mark of Berlin and Germany

Munich
9/22 October 2003
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