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« on: July 16, 2009, 06:19:38 PM »

I was just curious about baptism into Orthodoxy.  If one was previously baptised in the name of the Trinity (in my case a a Baptist church), I realize that it is not necessary to be re-baptised in the Orthodox church.  My question is, can one decide to be baptised in the Orthodox church anyways? (Have any protestant converts done this?)
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2009, 06:45:31 PM »

I had been baptized in the Trinity in a Baptist church when I was six, of my own volition. When I was 25 I converted to Orthodoxy and at 26 was ready to enter the church. I left it up to my Spiritual Father, in obedience to His direction, to decide. He spoke to His Bishop and I was Baptized and Chrismated.
My advice: Speak to your's and allow Him to take the appropriate measures.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 06:49:32 PM »

I was just curious about baptism into Orthodoxy.  If one was previously baptised in the name of the Trinity (in my case a a Baptist church), I realize that it is not necessary to be re-baptised in the Orthodox church.  My question is, can one decide to be baptised in the Orthodox church anyways? (Have any protestant converts done this?)

In America, in the Greek Church, the Antiochian Church, and the OCA, it is highly unlikely they will baptize you, they will chrismate you with the sacred chrism. 

In the Russian Church they will almost certainly baptize you by threefold immersion, and also in the Serbian Church (followed of course by Chrismation.)
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 06:51:52 PM »

I was in the DOW of OCA - Baptized and Chrismated...
I had been baptized in the Trinity in a Baptist church when I was six, of my own volition. When I was 25 I converted to Orthodoxy and at 26 was ready to enter the church. I left it up to my Spiritual Father, in obedience to His direction, to decide. He spoke to His Bishop and I was Baptized and Chrismated.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 07:49:34 PM »

I was in the DOW of OCA - Baptized and Chrismated...

Interesting, I thought that the OCA, the Greeks and the Antiochians have an official policy not to baptize.  Were there special circumstances?
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 11:31:28 PM »

I was in the DOW of OCA - Baptized and Chrismated...

Interesting, I thought that the OCA, the Greeks and the Antiochians have an official policy not to baptize.  Were there special circumstances?
Perhaps. When was this policy introduced?
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2009, 01:46:10 AM »

Interesting, I thought that the OCA, the Greeks and the Antiochians have an official policy not to baptize.  Were there special circumstances?
Perhaps. When was this policy introduced?

Here is something from the Greek Diocese of Denver.  There will be similar OCA statements and others....

Regarding the Reception of Converts and "Re-Baptism"

http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/liturgics/reception_of_converts.htm

For the record, the Eparchial Synod of Bishops of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, with the concurrence of the Holy and Sacred Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, has determined to recognize by extreme Oikonomia the heterodox Baptisms normatively performed according to the prescribed form in the following denominations and churches: (a.) Anglican Catholic (b.) Anglican Communion (Church of England, Episcopal, etc.) (c.) Assembly of God (d.) Baptist (e.) Church of the Brethren (f.) Lutheran (g.) Methodist (h.) Moravians (i.) Non-Chalcedonian and Monophysite Churches (j.) Old Catholic (Polish National Catholic Church, Church of Utrecht, Liberal Catholic Church, etc.) (k.) Presbyterian (l.) Roman Catholic (m.) United Church of Christ.

This decision is respected by all hierarchs and all synods of the Orthodox Church in communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate, and it is consonant with similar determinations by the synods of the jurisdictions comprising the Standing Committee of Canonical Orthodox Bishops in America (SCOBA). This decision is not called into question nor refuted by any canonical hierarch simply because he personally disagrees with it; instead hierarchs respect the principle of conciliarity and the decisions of other hierarchs made in consideration of the prevalent circumstances within their dioceses and made in concord with the consensus of their synods.
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 01:51:22 AM »


Regarding the Reception of Converts and "Re-Baptism"

http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/liturgics/reception_of_converts.htm

"...the Eparchial Synod of Bishops of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, with the concurrence of the Holy and Sacred Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, has determined to recognize by extreme Oikonomia the heterodox Baptisms normatively performed according to the prescribed form in the following denominations and churches:.... (l.) Roman Catholic...."

People often look at me sideways as if I have lapsed into madness and fundamentalism when I say the Orthodox do not recognise non-Orthodox Baptisms per se, not even those of the Roman Catholic Church, but there it is in black and white from the Greeks in the US.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 05:14:00 AM »

I don't know, I guess if I were to convert to Orthodoxy I would prefer to be re-baptised, since the significance of it was purely symbolic in the church I was in (that's what everyone believed), and that's what I was taught to believe about it. I would think that since baptism is a part of salvation (and since salvation is only found "within" the Church) I would think that logically they would want to have converts baptised within the Church. This reminds me of the baptism scenario in Acts where the individual didn't receive the Spirit because they were baptized under John. (Whom, as we all know, is the founder of the Baptist faith!  Wink My dad actually tried to "convince" me of that once.  laugh)

Well, that point leads me to a tie-in question. I've heard that only bishops perform chrismations in certain jurisdictions. Is this the true for baptisms also, and does this phenomenon occur in the US?
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2009, 07:26:43 AM »

I was in the DOW of OCA - Baptized and Chrismated...

Interesting, I thought that the OCA, the Greeks and the Antiochians have an official policy not to baptize.  Were there special circumstances?

In truth, you're not so wrong after all. The situation you point out here is true here in Italy. The Diocese of Korsun in Italy (Russian Orthodox Church) churches the new faithful from Trinitarian churches by anointing (at least in the parish I attend, but it seems an ordinary thing here). Most Greek-speaking communities under the EP generally re-baptise the converts by threefold immersion. The situation in the USA is anyway licit since oikonomia can be actuated at any time, and the local synods so did allowing the recognition of these baptisms (but not necessarily agrees on their efficacy, of course!)

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PS: I also consider re-baptism the best form of churching, anyway
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2009, 11:45:58 AM »

I was in the DOW of OCA - Baptized and Chrismated...

Interesting, I thought that the OCA, the Greeks and the Antiochians have an official policy not to baptize.  Were there special circumstances?
Perhaps. When was this policy introduced?
It is (only) my understanding that  since I walked away from the faith (to practice other religions)even though I had been baptized in the Trinity at a very young age,  that I needed to be baptized again. But I was in obedience to my Spiritual Father and happily recieved whatever decision He and His bishop would come to. I did not question why, if the Father was to pour more grace apon me.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 05:43:40 PM »

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/non-orthodox_ch5.pdf

here's another article I found relating to heterodox baptisms.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 08:16:25 PM »

People often look at me sideways as if I have lapsed into madness and fundamentalism when I say the Orthodox do not recognize non-Orthodox Baptisms...

This is probably why it would be best to just do away with the 'extreme economy', even if my re-baptism does bother me.
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