I really think it's a lot more important than that.
I don't seem why. It just seems like a trivial petty issue
Thank you for admitting that this is merely your own opinion, your own perception. Now we can proceed from here to debate what your opinion is really worth? In the meantime, please don't diminish the serious concerns of others merely because you don't see in your limited point of view how they're important.
Actually, yes it does. For instance, we are not permitted to celebrate Pascha in October; rather, the Fathers at Nicea stated that we are to celebrate Pascha on the Sunday following the first full moon after the (Northern Hemisphere) spring equinox. We also have a long-standing Tradition of celebrating our Lord's nativity on December 25 and Annunciation on March 25. Such traditions cannot be discarded so easily just because you don't think dates matter.
So? The Fathers and the Councils also forbid us from seeing a Jewish doctor or practicing any sexual position other than the Missionary but you do not see us following those to the letter. Why should the calendar be any different? The decisions of these councils were made for men; not men for the councils.
That's a ridiculous argument! The calendar regulates the communal worship of the Church to ensure that all Orthodox Christians celebrate our Lord's Pascha and all the other feasts together as one family, whereas the examples you cite regulate nothing more than one's own private relations with others.
I follow the New Calendar, yet I don't presume to know so much as to call the calendar a petty issue.
I probably don't. But I know enough that when you look at it from the perspective of an average person, it seems absurd and almost silly for people to make it such a big deal.
Yes, the average person is not an Orthodox Christian and couldn't care less what we believe and thinks we're crazy to do the things we do. What I'm asking you to do is to see things as a mature Orthodox Christian sees them.
And you know the hearts of men well enough to be able to make such blanket judgments as this?
Thanks for admitting that. Does that mean you'll stop judging the hearts of men until you do know them?
aid above, it's not about mere calendar preference. It's about submission to the Church of Christ
If that is the case, then why don't I commit schism because none of you submit to the Church of Christ by seeing Jewish doctors and having non-Missionary position sex? This whole issue sounds like something the Pharisees would bring up in the New Testament only to have Jesus condemn them. They followed the law to the letter and look what happened to them; they screwed up and only cared about the exteriors. Likewise, I bet if the Fathers knew how much trouble their decisions about the calendars would cause, they would probably have never even mentioned that stupid old calendar.
Why don't you spend a few years actually learning the Orthodox faith before you start sounding off like this and revealing your ignorance? Maybe also acquire enough knowledge of the Gospel to recognize that even Jesus was faithful in celebrating the Passover and the other feasts of the Jews at the times they were to be celebrated. Yes, even Jesus followed the festal calendar of His people.
It's okay to disagree with those who consider the calendar a dogmatic issue and even to call their Orthodoxy into question, just as they do ours. What's not okay is for you to dismiss our opponents with such uninformed puerile judgments as you have made.
I admit I know little to nothing about this issue. But just looking at it, it seems really odd and petty to me.
Knowing nothing about the issue, you should probably then keep silent so you can study the issue.
I was wondering what Saint Augustine you are asking to pray for you?
St. Augustine of Hippo; my patron
And, what does "hyperdox" mean?
Also: is it okay to change anything not essential to salvation?
Yes. Hence the distinction between big 'T' Tradition and small tradition.
A distinction that has no explicit foundation in Tradition.
And, if so, what is essential to salvation?
Doctrine and Sacraments; as long as we are not changing our theology or the Sacraments in anyway, I don't see how it matters if we change something smaller like a calendar. I personally don't care which calendar we use.
Do we even need the liturgy?
Of course; it's Sacramental
After all I could get a martyrdom and go to heaven without a liturgy right?
Salvation isn't just about going to Heaven; it's Theosis
I find other examples of people going to heaven who likely did not go to a liturgy.
Furthermore, I would like to point out that, just because something is ill advised, does not mean it will necessarily mean that it leads to Gehenna
Then why are you so afraid to adopt the new Calendar?
Now you're contradicting yourself, James. If it doesn't matter what calendar he uses, doesn't it then follow that he can use whatever calendar he wants? Why, then, do you insist that he start following the New Calendar?
Other thoughts, is it okay if we all just celebrate your birthday at any time we want?
Yes. In fact, I have celebrated my birthday a couple days early or later depending on what was going on that week.
But is it okay to celebrate your birthday three months and four days late?
Furthermore if its really not important can we all just have our own calendar that we follow?
That's up to our Bishop
Final question: just how unimportant are the many possible things we do, that are not (and possible not -- because I make no judgment just ask the question) essential to salvation? are the many things we do, like praying, going to liturgy, making the sign of the cross, helpful?
They are all helpful, but none of the things mentioned are essential for salvation except for prayer and the liturgy because they are Sacramental. If the Church wants to change how we make the sign of the Cross or what days we celebrate something on, I honestly don't care. I don't think it is really going to condemn us to Gehenna.
Orthodoxy, however, is not a minimalist faith that seeks to pare down the faith to only the absolute essentials. Nor is it a faith that teaches that salvation is solely an individual pursuit. If that's the kind of life you want to live, then go back to being a Protestant. We are saved together as the Church, however, and the calendar we use supports that by making sure the Church celebrates its defining feasts together as one divine-human family, just as Jesus celebrated the Jewish feasts with His family.