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« on: June 22, 2009, 01:33:06 AM »

   
The evidences of complicity of the roman church with the Reich.

Hitler with nuncio

nazicatholics salute Hitler

A nazi chaplain...

A dominican monk with nazis....

NS priests

Hitler salutes monsignor Tiso, dictador of the nazi puppet state of Slovakia.

Ribbentrop, Fr.Tiso and NS...

León Degrelle(Belgium), Catholic Rexiste leader (and SS member).

Mussolini

Mussolini and roman clergy

Archbishop Stepinac with Ustashis (croatian nazicatholics)

Ante Pavelic, Ustashi leader, in the mass.




Franco, spanish "caudillo" and church...

Spanish priests supporting the Blue Division("Spanish SS").

Franco...


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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 01:50:33 AM »

What's your point?
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 01:53:16 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 01:58:33 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
So what fundamentalist church do you belong to? First Assembly of Jack Chick?
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 02:02:39 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
So what fundamentalist church do you belong to? First Assembly of Jack Chick?

Was Jack Chick an Ustash?
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 02:02:55 AM »

He Made a Great Point..and this from a serb...So the catholic church is guilty as charged....There a thread here somewhere about the gold extracted from the murdered serbian,gypsies,and others teeth,and not counting the looting ,,the pope is sitting on the gold  at the vatican...

I pray to God that islam will have its way there in rome ,and the vatican the popes the catholic church is no more...
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 02:04:04 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
So what fundamentalist church do you belong to? First Assembly of Jack Chick?

Jack CHick?HuhHuh??
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 02:06:55 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
So what fundamentalist church do you belong to? First Assembly of Jack Chick?

Was Jack Chick an Ustash?
Ustash? What bar does he tend?
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 02:09:21 AM »

He Made a Great Point..and this from a serb...So the catholic church is guilty as charged....There a thread here somewhere about the gold extracted from the murdered serbian,gypsies,and others teeth,and not counting the looting ,,the pope is sitting on the gold  at the vatican...

I pray to God that islam will have its way there in rome ,and the vatican the popes the catholic church is no more...
Christian charity at work!
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 02:09:52 AM »

What's your point?

roman church.. guilty!!
So what fundamentalist church do you belong to? First Assembly of Jack Chick?

Was Jack Chick an Ustash?
Ustash? What bar does he tend?
This one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Fasces_lictoriae.svg/40px-Fasces_lictoriae.svg.png
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 02:13:10 AM »

Very good, ialmisry, but the subtlety might be lost on our new friend Stefano. Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 02:16:34 AM »

May the Roman Catholic Church reap the evil it sowed in the world 1000 folds....
Scripture says who soever sows evil so shall they have to reap it,hopefully that will be fufilled soon God willing...
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 02:18:08 AM »

On 30 January 1933 Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor. On 23 March 1933 his government was given legislative powers through the Enabling Act and was passed by all Reichstag except the Social Democrats and Communists (whose deputies had already been arrested). Hitler had obtained the votes of the Centre Party, led by Prelate Ludwig Kaas, by issuing oral guarantees of the party's continued existence and the autonomy of the Church and her educational institutions. He also promised good relations with the Holy See, which some interpret as a hint on a future concordat.(In other Words, a Catholic Priest was largely responsible for putting Hitler in power)

Signing the Concordat is Cardinal Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII). By 1933, he was the Vatican Secretary of State. Far Left is Prelate Ludwig Kaas, leader of the Centre (Zentrum) Party). Seated second from his left is Franz von Papen who was a German nobleman, Catholic politician, General Staff officer, and diplomat, who served as Chancellor of Germany (Reichskanzler) in 1932.. Standing at the far right can be seen the little known Vatican prelate, Montini, later to become Pope Paul VI.

 

On 30 January 1933 Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor. On 23 March 1933 his government was given legislative powers through the Enabling Act and was passed by all Reichstag except the Social Democrats and Communists (whose deputies had already been arrested). Hitler had obtained the votes of the Centre Party, led by Prelate Ludwig Kaas, by issuing oral guarantees of the party's continued existence and the autonomy of the Church and her educational institutions. He also promised good relations with the Holy See, which some interpret as a hint on a future concordat.

In April, he sent his vice chancellor Franz von Papen, a Catholic nobleman and former member of the Centre Party, to Rome to offer negotiations about a Reichskonkordat. On behalf of Cardinal Pacelli, Ludwig Kaas, the out-going chairman of the Centre Party, negotiated the draft of the terms with Papen. The concordat was finally signed, by Pacelli for the Vatican and von Papen for Germany, on 20th July. One of Hitler's key conditions for agreeing to the concordat, in violation to earlier promises, had been the dissolution of the Centre Party, which occurred on July 6.

The Reichskonkordat was ratified on September 10, 1933. In the Concordat, the German government achieved a complete proscription of all clerical interference in the political field (articles 16 and 32). It also ensured the bishops' loyalty to the state by an oath and required all priests to be Germans and subject to German superiors. Restrictions were also placed on the Catholic organisations.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 02:20:03 AM »

Gawd, another troll.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue And I'm not even Roman Catholic. What's eating you, Stefano?
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2009, 02:25:38 AM »

http://www.amazon.com/tag/religion/forum?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx417AUXOWKSRN&cdThread=Tx35D7WGA8C9TT&displayType=tagsDetail

What follows is material taken from Rabbi Dr. David G. Dalin's 2005 "The Myth of Hitler's Pope: How Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis."...

The 1933 Reich Concordat between Germany and the Vatican:

Actually, it was standard Vatican policy to sign concordats with the nations of Europe. In 1801 Pius VII had entered into a concordat with Napolean Bonaparte; but the Vatican also entered concordats with Bavaria and Sardinia in 1817; with Prussia and the Upper Rhine Provinces in 1821; with Hanover in 1824; with Belgium in 1827; with Switzerland in 1828 and again in 1845; with the two Sicilies in 1834; etc. Between 1919 and 1933 alone approximately thirty-eight concordats, treaties, and agreements were signed by the Vatican with foreign states.

Critics of the Vatican's Reich Concordat of 1933 often claim that it silenced any German Catholics who otherwise might have openly opposed Hitler and held him in check. Actually, the Concordat was a pragmatic and morally defensible diplomatic measure to protect German Catholics and the relative freedom of the Catholic Church in Germany. The Germans originally proposed the Concordat, and for the Vatican to have rejected it out of hand would have been predjudicial to the rights of Catholics in Germany. It was morally defensible from the vantage point of German Jews as well because it had been signed in 1933, well BEFORE Hitler had enacted any of his anti-Semitic legislation or decrees....
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2009, 02:26:15 AM »

Gawd, another troll.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue And I'm not even Roman Catholic. What's eating you, Stefano?


No hes not a troll ..its history he's bringing up...it has to be brought up into the light of day.....i got to find my photos and post them here...
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2009, 02:29:08 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)
Vatican and Ratlines!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)#The_San_Girolamo_ratline
The San Girolamo ratline

According to Aarons and Loftus, Hudal's private operation was small scale compared to what came later. The major Roman ratline was operated by a small, but influential network of Croatian priests, members of the Franciscan order, led by Father Krunoslav Draganović. Draganović organized a highly sophisticated chain with headquarters at the San Girolamo degli Illirici Seminary College in Rome, but with links from Austria to the final embarcation point in the port of Genoa. The ratline initially focused on aiding members of the Croatian Ustashi fascist movement, most notably the Croat wartime dictator Ante Pavelic [8].

Priests active in the chain included: Fr. Vilim Cecelja, former Deputy Military Vicar to the Ustashi, based in Austria where many Ustashi and Nazi refugees remained in hiding; Fr. Dragutin Kamber, based at San Girolamo; Fr. Dominic Mandic, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order — who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal; and Monsignor Karlo Petranovic, based in Genoa.

Cecelja would make contact with those in hiding in Austria and help them across the border to Italy; Kamber, Mandic and Draganović would find them lodgings, often in the monastery itself, while they arranged documentation; finally Draganović would phone Petranovic in Genoa with the number of required berths on ships leaving for South America. (See below for the operation of the South American end.)

The operation of the Draganović ratline was an open secret amongst the intelligence and diplomatic community in Rome. As early as August 1945, Allied commanders in Rome were asking questions about the use of San Girolamo as a "haven" for Ustashi [9]. A year later, a US State Department report of 12 July 1946 lists nine war criminals, including Albanians and Montenegrins as well as Croats, plus others "not actually sheltered in the COLLEGIUM ILLIRICUM [i.e., San Girolamo degli Illirici] but who otherwise enjoy Church support and protection." [10] The British government was annoyed by the Vatican's shelter of Ustashi-Fascist. The envoy to the Holy See, Francis Osborne, asked Domenico Tardini, a high ranking Vatican official, for a permission that would have allowed the British Military police to raid ex-territorial Vatican Institutions in Rome. Tardini granted no permission and denied that the church sheltered war criminals. In February 1947 CIC Special Agent Robert Clayton Mudd reported ten members of Pavelic's Ustashi cabinet living either in San Girolamo or in the Vatican itself. Mudd had infiltrated an agent into the monastery and confirmed that it was "honeycombed with cells of Ustashi operatives" guarded by "armed youths." Mudd also reported:

    "It was further established that these Croats travel back and forth from the Vatican several times a week in a car with a chauffeur whose license plate bears the two initials CD, "Corpo Diplomatico". It issues forth from the Vatican and discharges its passengers inside the Monastery of San Geronimo . Subject to diplomatic immunity it is impossible to stop the car and discover who are its passengers."[11]

Mudd's conclusion was the following:

    "DRAGANOVIC's sponsorship of these Croat Quislings definitely links him up with the plan of the Vatican to shield these ex-Ustashi nationalists until such time as they are able to procure for them the proper documents to enable them to go to South America. The Vatican, undoubtedly banking on the strong anti-Communist feelings of these men, is endeavoring to infiltrate them into South America in any way possible to counteract the spread of Red doctrine. It has been reliably reported, for example that Dr. VRANCIC has already gone to South America and that Ante PAVELIC and General KREN are scheduled for an early departure to South America through Spain. All these operations are said to have been negotiated by DRAGANOVIC because of his influence in the Vatican."

The existence of Draganović's ratline is admitted by the Vatican historian Fr. Robert Graham: "I've no doubt that Draganović was extremely active in syphoning off his Croatian Ustashi friends." However, Graham insisted that Draganović was not officially sanctioned in this by his superiors: "Just because he's a priest doesn't mean he represents the Vatican. It was his own operation." [12]

On four occasions the Vatican intervened on behalf of interned Ustashi prisoners. The Secretariat of State asked the U.K. and U.S. government to release Croatian POWs from British internment camps in Italy.
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