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Offline deusveritasest

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Sign of the Cross
« on: June 14, 2009, 05:47:43 PM »
While it is clear to me how Western Christians and the Eastern Orthodox make the sign of the cross, the same is not the case with the Oriental Orthodox churches. So how is it done in the various traditions of Oriental Orthodoxy?
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 05:47:57 PM »
I went to an Armenian church this morning and their liturgy book instructed to make the sign of the cross exactly the same way as the Greeks to the exception that it be done left-right rather than right-left, and this appeared to be the way the congregation was doing it. Is this how it is in general in the Armenian church?
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 05:49:14 PM »
I went to an Armenian church this morning and their liturgy book instructed to make the sign of the cross exactly the same way as the Greeks to the exception that it be done left-right rather than right-left, and this appeared to be the way the congregation was doing it. Is this how it is in general in the Armenian church?

That's typical for all OOs I believe.
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 07:12:34 PM »
I think that is pretty much right.  The Ethiopians seem to do something a little more complicated with their fingers though.  This is discussed here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,3671.0.html

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 03:34:30 AM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 03:58:57 AM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

That is the same way I`m doing it, from the side of my father`s family we make the sign of the cross like that.
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 04:02:18 AM »
But perhaps only with one difference, you make the sign of the cross with the right to left movement, as the other Eastern Orthodox do, while we do it from left to right. Or am I mistaken?

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 04:54:46 AM »
yes i`m doing it from right to left , with right hand , first at the head , than on the lower , than right , than left and than with the open palm on my chest ; i`m doing the cross both with the palm on the chest and without it; but this is they way I do the sign of the cross.
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 06:03:54 PM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

Copts tend to kiss their hands afterwards, similar to Roman Catholic practice.

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 06:32:11 PM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

Copts tend to kiss their hands afterwards, similar to Roman Catholic practice.
Catholics of Spanish descent do that. They form a Cross with their thumb and index finger. The index finger is bent 90 degrees and the thumb placed righ over it; forming a Cross. So, they are essentially kissing the Cross.
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 07:51:10 PM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

Copts tend to kiss their hands afterwards, similar to Roman Catholic practice.

I've also seen Assyrians kiss their hand after making the sign of the Cross but they do it right to left like the Eastern Orthodox do.

I think Ethiopians do it with two fingers kind of like how Russian Old Believers do the Cross if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 08:02:08 PM »
I have always been curious as to how others crossed themselves, and have learned that even some Protestants do it, too.
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 09:03:11 AM »
The Armenians, the Copts and the Syriac Christians make the sign of the cross in the same way. The only difference is that the Armenians and the Syriacs after making the sign of the cross, on the word 'Amen' ('In the name of the Father and the Son... Amen') put their open palm on the chest, while the Copts don't have that last movement.

Copts tend to kiss their hands afterwards, similar to Roman Catholic practice.

Really? I haven't seen such a thing done by the Copts. I know they kiss their hand in some special way then make some outward movement with it when they say 'Nashkur Rabbena' (let us thank our Lord) during the Divine Liturgy or at other occasions too when they say that expression. But this is what I myself have seen. Maybe in different places there are different customs?
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 05:15:50 PM »

I've also seen Assyrians kiss their hand after making the sign of the Cross but they do it right to left like the Eastern Orthodox do.

When you say "Assyrians", do you mean those of the Assyrian Church of the East, those of the Syriac Orthodox Church, or both?
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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 05:30:29 PM »

I've also seen Assyrians kiss their hand after making the sign of the Cross but they do it right to left like the Eastern Orthodox do.

When you say "Assyrians", do you mean those of the Assyrian Church of the East, those of the Syriac Orthodox Church, or both?

I was referring to the people of the Assyrian Church of the East.

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Re: Sign of the Cross
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2009, 12:06:18 AM »

I've also seen Assyrians kiss their hand after making the sign of the Cross but they do it right to left like the Eastern Orthodox do.

When you say "Assyrians", do you mean those of the Assyrian Church of the East, those of the Syriac Orthodox Church, or both?

I was referring to the people of the Assyrian Church of the East.

Oh, ok.
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