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« on: June 12, 2009, 06:09:20 PM »

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Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 08:45:25 PM »

I'm not sure that "long hair" is an accurate translation...
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 09:46:03 PM »

The original Greek of this passage referring to men's hair is probably better interpreted as "if a man nurtures his hair, it is a source of shame". In other words, a man who primps and coifs his hair, spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on it, is unseemly, and not manly. On the other hand, women, who, as is the case in many, many cultures, are encouraged to beautify their hair as a physical adornment, are encouraged to keep this adornment hidden while in church, so as not to draw undue attention to their attractiveness.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 10:16:09 PM »

I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 10:48:25 PM »


I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.

I have!

[EDIT]: NVM. Not buzz short, but merely a few inches long.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 10:50:53 PM »


I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.

I have!

[EDIT]: NVM. Not buzz short, but merely a few inches long.

Can you upload the image?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 11:13:18 PM »

The original Greek of this passage referring to men's hair is probably better interpreted as "if a man nurtures his hair, it is a source of shame". In other words, a man who primps and coifs his hair, spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on it, is unseemly, and not manly. On the other hand, women, who, as is the case in many, many cultures, are encouraged to beautify their hair as a physical adornment, are encouraged to keep this adornment hidden while in church, so as not to draw undue attention to their attractiveness.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 11:15:28 PM »

Yup. Exactly. Tongue Tongue Tongue What a bunch of girls.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 12:32:09 AM »


I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.

I have!

[EDIT]: NVM. Not buzz short, but merely a few inches long.

Can you upload the image?

It's from the Platytera icon over the altar at Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Salt Lake City. This is the best I could find:



(This is actually where I first attended an EO church.)
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009, 12:39:09 AM »


I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.

I have!

[EDIT]: NVM. Not buzz short, but merely a few inches long.

Can you upload the image?
I coulnd't find that, but how about Jesus with an Afro?


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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 01:35:24 AM »

I wish I could remember the reference but I was reading something on this topic recently that said the basic understanding of the passage is linked to how women wore their hair back then...basically they never cut it. So "shorn" is understood in comparison with "never cut". The idea was for a man not to look like a woman.  This would then likely mean the outer limits of "shorn" was probably the waistline.  Hair below the belt would be unacceptable as a rule for men.

As for the icon above it seems more fanciful, more a social statement than a canonical icon.  I could not venerate it.  However, I could venerate this one: http://actsofhope.blogspot.com/2007/10/bonus-ethiopian-icon.html
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 09:43:05 AM »


I've never seen an icon of Our Lord with a crew cut.

I have!

[EDIT]: NVM. Not buzz short, but merely a few inches long.

Can you upload the image?
I coulnd't find that, but how about Jesus with an Afro?




ChristusDominus, you might wish to look at the following thread, if you haven't already:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,20776.msg311335.html#msg311335
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009, 10:27:39 AM »

The original Greek of this passage referring to men's hair is probably better interpreted as "if a man nurtures his hair, it is a source of shame". In other words, a man who primps and coifs his hair, spends an inordinate amount of time and effort on it, is unseemly, and not manly. On the other hand, women, who, as is the case in many, many cultures, are encouraged to beautify their hair as a physical adornment, are encouraged to keep this adornment hidden while in church, so as not to draw undue attention to their attractiveness.
Nope, the verb κομώ means to grow her. [link]
I've seen the same verb in an Ancient Greek oration (Lysias' For Mantitheus). But the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, so there might be differences, I'm not an expert.
Plus, the words μενand δε are used; these linking words connect opposite statements. Men should not grow hair, but women should...

Oh, I loved your posts. I had some laughs. Tongue
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