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II John
« on: June 07, 2009, 02:33:21 PM »
Who are the two women from 2 John ?

From verse 1 : "The elder unto the elect lady and her children"
verse 13: "The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen."

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Re: II John
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 02:49:29 PM »
I remmeber reading in the prophets about the two sisters Samaria and Jerusalem.I think in this case they might be the ones mentioned.I believe this are the two Mary`s : Maria the mother of Jesus , and Maria Magdalena. This is just a supposition. I found a town in Samaria name Madgala , maybe the provenience of "Magdalena" because of the place she was from.I`m very interested in what people have to say about this , esspecially those of the clergy.
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Re: II John
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 03:16:11 PM »
Who are the two women from 2 John ?

From verse 1 : "The elder unto the elect lady and her children"
verse 13: "The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen."



Its metaphorical: like Romanian, Greek "Ekklesia" is feminine.

I remmeber reading in the prophets about the two sisters Samaria and Jerusalem.I think in this case they might be the ones mentioned.I believe this are the two Mary`s : Maria the mother of Jesus , and Maria Magdalena. This is just a supposition. I found a town in Samaria name Madgala , maybe the provenience of "Magdalena" because of the place she was from.I`m very interested in what people have to say about this , esspecially those of the clergy.

No, wouldn't be that: its the parable of the two sister Oholah and Oholibah in Ezekiel 23, and they were anything but elect.
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Re: II John
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 03:21:40 PM »
I know there is a tradition wich says Mary Madgalen preached the gospel with the apostles , to the expanded boundaries outside Israel.
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Re: II John
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 03:48:13 PM »
Mary Magdalen was said to be in presence with the apostles , in Galia and preaching in Rome , Egipt, Fenicia, Siria, Pamfilia and other places , being a missionairy like the apostles.She has been called "one-with-the-apostles" by Orthodox Church.She also spent time in Jerusalem , and visited John in Ephesus. this is from : http://www.calendar-ortodox.ro/luna/iulie/iulie22.htm in romanian. So her being one of the ladies mentioned in 2 John(the letter of John) would have relevance.Also "the children" of Mary Magdalen would be all who believe the gospel trough her preaching , and maybe baptize.In my perspective has a lot of theological meaning. Samaria and Jerusalem are not mentioned only in that parable of Oholah and Oholibah.Is mention in many places. In Jeremiah 16:53-55 it says Samaria will be reinstaureted in her old state , you(Jerusalem) will be instaureted in your place.
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Re: II John
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 04:08:44 PM »
It could be an actual woman to whom John was writing, but I tend to think that he's addressing a church, and sending the greetings of another church.

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Re: II John
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2009, 04:13:23 PM »
Another woman , between Mary(the mother of Jesus) in heaven will have a big relevance , and would solve some mysteries , many of them. Read books with reference to the Church and Bride of Christ into the OT.Esspecially the Song of Solomon.
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Re: II John
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 05:39:50 PM »
She has been called "one-with-the-apostles" by Orthodox Church.

Don't tell that to Dan Brown or the Neo-Pagan Nazis.

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Re: II John
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 08:05:09 PM »
She has been called "one-with-the-apostles" by Orthodox Church.
Is that the same as calling her (St. Mary Magdalene) "Equal to the Apostles"?
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Re: II John
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »
She has been called "one-with-the-apostles" by Orthodox Church.

Don't tell that to Dan Brown or the Neo-Pagan Nazis.
Ahhh!  Godwin's Law strikes again. ::)
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Re: II John
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2009, 11:35:47 PM »
Ahhh!  Godwin's Law strikes again.

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Re: II John
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 12:02:03 AM »
Back to the OP, the opening line says in Greek (forgive the lack of Greek letters), ekleti kuria, which means to the "elected mistress."  Ekleti is derived from the same root from which you also find ekklesia, which refers to those who are "called out" or "chosen".
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Re: II John
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 09:29:56 AM »
Dear All,

Recently I was involved in a discussion concerning women's ordination and those supporting the same brought out this verse to prove that there were women who were elected and led the church during apostolic times.

It would have been great if something more can be written about the use of the words Kuria and kyrios.

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