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« on: November 06, 2003, 10:16:04 AM »

So....anyone go to see Matrix Revolutions yesterday at its opening?

It wasn't that great, and was personally a bit of a disappointment.
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2003, 11:07:03 AM »

The reviewer in the "Washington Post" wasn't impressed. He said it was mostly mechanized bug-oids attacking Zion and fights like in the first two.

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2003, 11:22:25 AM »

I would not waste my money on this drivel. The first one was barely tolerable after the first hour, and the second one (which, fortunately, the DVD was given to me to watch) was nothing but -- run here, fight there, run there, fight here.

Most boring thing to come out since "Magnolia"
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 11:24:42 AM »

Right.

The concept was cool at first, but as you said it soon became drivel.

The dialogue in the 2nd was rather corny, and the 3rd is even cornier, sad to say.

I guess see it only if you're a die hard Matrix fan, otherwise as Ebor said, wait to see Return of the King which debuts in theaters next month.

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 11:35:39 AM »

What's "Return of the King"?
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 11:39:04 AM »

Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

3rd book in Tolkien's trilogy
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 11:41:44 AM »

Ahhh, more drivel. I walked out of the first one about halfway through!
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2003, 12:00:03 PM »

Ahhh, more drivel. I walked out of the first one about halfway through!


Blasphemy!!!  Shocked

How can one not like LORD OF THE RINGS???   Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2003, 12:03:58 PM »

Tom was talking about the Matrix being drivel and not LOTR Smiley

Rest assured, Tolkien is still in good standing but the Walkcoksi (sp) brothers are not.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2003, 12:04:52 PM »

Oh wait, i stand corrected. I didn't see TOm's latest post!

How dare you Tom, you movie hater Smiley

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2003, 12:11:55 PM »

Blasphemy!!!  Shocked

How can one not like LORD OF THE RINGS???   Smiley

'cause it was the same thing over and over....and over....and over. Run away! Drat! The big bad men on the big bad horses caught up with us! Fight again. RUN AWAY! ...... etc. etc.

Oh! Oh! Guess WHAT! The old man that we THOUGHT was the friend of the first old man is actually BAD! (Gee, didn't see THAT one coming!  Tongue)

Arrghhhh!!! Let me tell you my real problem. I HATE movies where the major characters get their ASSESS kicked over and over yet NEVER DIE! I mean, the old men fight, throw each other up against walls with magic  Shocked yet neither of them DIE. And finally the BAD old man puts the GOOD old man on the top of the castle. Why not just KILL him??!!!!
Arrrghhhh!!!

I really can't say much more about it 'cause I think I left at the point where the BAD old man is tearing up the landscape to build an army. Later my wife (who LOVES these types of movies) said something about that that was why the TREES hated him (huh?) (LOL)  Roll Eyes

I just never have liked fantasy or science fiction stories. But gimme a movie like PATTON any day!
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2003, 12:25:32 PM »

PATTON was quality, I certainly enjoyed Black Hawk Down as well. We Were Soldiers was a very real and sad depiction of Vietnam.

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2003, 12:32:10 PM »

I hated Black Hawk Down. I stopped half way through. I wish movies like that were not allowed to be made--I don't want such images in my mind.

I liked Matrix 2; it made me think about reality, choice, free will, etc.

Lord of the Rings is just the best.  That movie had it all: good cinematography, acting, music, etc.

My favorite movie is Bram Stroker's Dracula, though.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2003, 12:34:18 PM »

Black Hawn Down is one of my favorites because it depicts the reality of war, and the craziness of the world. Not to mention it is the story of the US in Somalia verbatim.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2003, 12:34:39 PM »

Ahhh, more drivel. I walked out of the first one about halfway through!


Your loss.  (and I agree with the blasphemy comment) Have you even read any of the books?  Your comments make you seem VERY short-sighted.  You seem to want to take everything at face value.  Think big picture in LotR.

Something tells me you wouldn't know a good movie if it hit you in the face.

Definitely like Revolution - thought it was better than Reloaded.  The Trinity/Neo "love scene" lasted too long, but for the most part, it was a good movie.  Techie movies like Star Wars/Matrix need to minimize any attempt at romance - it comes off cheezy no matter what.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2003, 12:50:36 PM »

Your comments make you seem VERY short-sighted.  Something tells me you wouldn't know a good movie if it hit you in the face.

Elisha,

LOL!!! It is truly pathetic that you would react so strongly to my personal opinions of a MOVIE ! Geez! And then you make judgements about my whole character and intellect based upon what YOU consider to be a GOOD story/movie.

REPENT!!!  Wink

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2003, 01:00:43 PM »

Youngsters,

BEST movies, " Shane" & Treasure of the Sierra Madres.

New stuff is computer generated trash.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2003, 01:04:00 PM »

New stuff is computer generated trash.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2003, 01:06:41 PM »

For what it's worth, I liked the Matrix, didn't like Reloaded as much but for curiosity's sake will watch Revolutions, liked the two LOTR movies although to be honest I don't understand all the fuss surrounding them (and the new one), liked Black Hawk Down a lot, and enjoyed Patton.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2003, 03:22:40 PM »

For what it's worth, I liked the Matrix, didn't like Reloaded as much but for curiosity's sake will watch Revolutions, liked the two LOTR movies although to be honest I don't understand all the fuss surrounding them (and the new one), liked Black Hawk Down a lot, and enjoyed Patton.  

Yes, I order the Trilogy in preference as 1-3-2, with 1 definitely a notch above the other 2.  The last two each had parts that either bothered me or were sappy due to content and/or length.  Worth seeing them all if you liked the first.

Mor, what do you mean by "all the fuss"?  Do you mean by the critiques of them?  I think that the LotR purists are the most upset by the changes/omissions in the storyline (my biggest complaints), overall, excellent movies though.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2003, 04:09:03 PM »

Youngsters,

BEST movies, " Shane" & Treasure of the Sierra Madres.

New stuff is computer generated trash.

james

Computer generated trash? Are you aware at how difficult it is to create those images? It is true artwork.

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BEST movies, " Shane" & Treasure of the Sierra Madres.

New stuff is computer generated trash.

james

Computer generated trash? Are you aware at how difficult it is to create those images? It is true artwork.

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Yes, also, the real acting comes into play where you have to do a scene pretending that there is an 80 foot mechanical cockroach attacking you Wink
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'cause it was the same thing over and over....and over....and over. Run away! Drat! The big bad men on the big bad horses caught up with us! Fight again. RUN AWAY! ...... etc. etc.

Then you left too soon.  The "big bad men on the big bad horses" (the Nazgul) weren't in the second half of the movie.  Grin

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Arrghhhh!!! Let me tell you my real problem. I HATE movies where the major characters get their ASSESS kicked over and over yet NEVER DIE! I mean, the old men fight, throw each other up against walls with magic  Shocked yet neither of them DIE. And finally the BAD old man puts the GOOD old man on the top of the castle. Why not just KILL him??!!!!
Arrrghhhh!!!

Because the wizards aren't actually human--they are Maia ("angelic-type" beings) that took human form to combat  Sauron, the Dark Lord of the Rings (who himself is also a Maia but more powerful).  Of course, in your defense, you'd have to read the book to know that, since the movie(s) (so far) do not explain who the wizards (the "Istari") really are.

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I really can't say much more about it 'cause I think I left at the point where the BAD old man is tearing up the landscape to build an army. Later my wife (who LOVES these types of movies) said something about that that was why the TREES hated him (huh?) (LOL)  Roll Eyes

The second movie picks up more on the TREES-hating-the-BAD-old-man (Saruman) theme. Smiley

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I understand.  I have a buddy who doesn't like sci-fi/fantasy either.  It's your preference--was just kidding about the blasphemy thing...well...sort of.   Wink

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2003, 04:53:55 PM »

The second movie picks up more on the TREES-hating-the-BAD-old-man (Saruman) theme. Smiley

Well, my wife wants to rent the second one (again). So, maybe I will go get a bottle of Bacardi Vanilla and Coke and try to make it through it!

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Yes, I order the Trilogy in preference as 1-3-2, with 1 definitely a notch above the other 2.  The last two each had parts that either bothered me or were sappy due to content and/or length.  Worth seeing them all if you liked the first.

I don't know much about the history of the Matrix, and whether they originally intended to make two subsequent movies to the original.  I thought the first Matrix was the best because it combined special effects with an intelligent plot (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for).  It involved a lot of deep stuff, I think, and it made me think, which is something I love in a movie.  But to me it ended in a way that seemed to make further movies useless, because the first came to a satisfying end, and so when Reloaded came out, I thought it wasn't as thought provoking as the first, and the special effects were way overdone.  I still want to see Revolution, though.  

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Mor, what do you mean by "all the fuss"?  Do you mean by the critiques of them?  I think that the LotR purists are the most upset by the changes/omissions in the storyline (my biggest complaints), overall, excellent movies though.

Well, I've never read the books, so I suspect that has something to do with it.  I just see a lot of hype surrounding the films, whether it is people waiting in anxious expectation for months and months for the next film, or purists complaining about where they went wrong, etc., etc.  I watched the first two films, and I enjoyed them, but if you asked me, I probably still wouldn't be able to tell you who was who, or remember every detail of the plot, or anything like that.  I saw the first, and then I saw it again before I saw the second.  When the third comes out, I will watch it, but only after watching the first two first.  I like them, I am just not nearly as excited about them as everyone else seems to be.
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2003, 05:03:00 PM »

Oh, as if the false accusation of Monophysitism wasn't enough... Tongue
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Sorry Mor.  I guess you do get enough flack for being a heretic . . . Wink
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The second movie picks up more on the TREES-hating-the-BAD-old-man (Saruman) theme. Smiley

Well, my wife wants to rent the second one (again). So, maybe I will go get a bottle of Bacardi Vanilla and Coke and try to make it through it!

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Dear me.  I seem to have started something and contibuted to rampant thread wandering.   Embarrassed  

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"If we all liked the same thing, there wouldn't be enough to go around."

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Jakub, Tecate rules!!! Wink

I agree with Mor about the hype surrounding LOTR and I have read the books. I don't think Tolkien would much like the phenomenon himself, but I do have friends who, having read the books and seen the movies, were inspired to study linguistics or classical languages. The movies are quite good, but the hype seems rather misdirected.

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Speaking for myself, I'm interested in the Matrix only for its cheap flair (It's Reeves [Lebanese-born B.T.W.], people, and L.O.T.R. it isn't; do you expect something of serious caliber here?).  This means I'll accept nothing but IMAX as an appropriate medium.  Now the only relevant confirmation I need is on the quality and quantity of special effects as they compare with the previous two films.

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I did not like the first Matrix movie, so i do not plan on seeing the others.  As far as science fiction goes, my favorite SF movie is A L I E N.
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BIG LTR fan, here, but purist...have the DVDs, but books still rule.  Should have stuck to the story line better. Still, can ANYONE else think of a better use for New Zealand?  Wink

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2003, 11:42:13 AM »

Just a note about the Matrix, it is a great film to use for youth retreats. Most teenagers have seen it and like the film, but if you sit down with them and stop it at certain points, it can help explain Orthodox Theology. This is espcialy true with the end of the first film where Neo dies, all the good guys can't believe he died, all the bad guy think they have won because he died, and then Neo "resurects" and he becomes so bright and powerful that the bad guys are defeated. Sound familar?
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Bobby, we're not too young, right?
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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2003, 06:13:08 AM »

Am I allowed to comment on certain Christian resonances I found in Revolutions? I don't want to be accused of spoiling it for anyone Wink
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« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2003, 10:41:18 AM »

Edward,

Why don't you start a new thread entitled "The Matrix Revolutions (Spoilers)" so that way people will know to stay out if they haven't seen it.  Or perhaps just call it it "Christian Influences in the Matrix Trilogy (spoilers)".
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FWIW I liked the first Matrix a lot. Didn't see the others.

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Most teenagers have seen it and like the film, but if you sit down with them and stop it at certain points, it can help explain Orthodox Theology. This is espcialy true with the end of the first film where Neo dies, all the good guys can't believe he died, all the bad guy think they have won because he died, and then Neo "resurects" and he becomes so bright and powerful that the bad guys are defeated. Sound familar?

Good point, but... this concept/belief is the exclusive property of Eastern Orthodoxy? Next I expect somebody on this board to claim Greeks or Russians really discovered America.
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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2003, 11:38:26 AM »

What? Russians no discover Amerika? IS OUTRAGE!!
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« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2003, 11:44:36 AM »

You can use the 'hidden' text feature.

THere is a hide button on top like this.

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