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Re: Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2012, 09:33:43 AM »
An iconoclast saint = a saint who destroyed icons?

I thought "Iconoclast" who is against use of icons, deems it as sinful and improper for Christians. I understood that "were against icons" meant exactly that.
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Re: Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2012, 09:36:41 AM »
An iconoclast saint = a saint who destroyed icons?

I thought "Iconoclast" who is against use of icons, deems it as sinful and improper for Christians.

The word has both meanings: to be against the use of icons, and to destroy icons. The principle is the same.
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Re: Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2012, 09:42:22 AM »
Okay, I read that it literally means "image breaker".

But apparently they wrote short comments (passing by) against their usage in their writings, but the feeling I got when I was told about it is that they were worried that it might become idolatry so I don't know about deeming it as sinful.
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Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2015, 02:58:06 AM »
3. Mor Severus of Antioch and Mor Philoxenus of Mabbug were against the use of icons. It wasn't a main issue at all to them and they only mentioned it as short comments in their texts.
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Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2015, 03:11:39 AM »
From Severus of Antioch by Pauline Allen and CTR Hayward

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After his flight, Severus was accused by the clergy of Antioch of the stock crimes of embezzlement, conspiring with Jews and sorcery; a further, more original, allegation was that he had removed gold and silver statues of doves, representing the holy Spirit, which hung above the baptismal fonts and altars in his patriarchate.51 Both Severus and Philoxenus fell foul of accusations of iconoclasm regarding doves, but in Syria these birds were sacred to the goddess Aphrodite, and their removal should rather be seen in the context of stamping out pagan practices.52

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Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2015, 12:02:15 PM »
From Severus of Antioch by Pauline Allen and CTR Hayward

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After his flight, Severus was accused by the clergy of Antioch of the stock crimes of embezzlement, conspiring with Jews and sorcery; a further, more original, allegation was that he had removed gold and silver statues of doves, representing the holy Spirit, which hung above the baptismal fonts and altars in his patriarchate.51 Both Severus and Philoxenus fell foul of accusations of iconoclasm regarding doves, but in Syria these birds were sacred to the goddess Aphrodite, and their removal should rather be seen in the context of stamping out pagan practices.52

Interesting...I wonder if it can be definitely known that these were pagan elements as opposed to being tabernacles in the shape of a dove.  Such were in use in the Christian East at least a century or two before Ss Severus and Philoxenus.   
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Re: Use of icons in the Oriental Orthodox Church
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2015, 02:58:32 PM »
I can vaguely remember a canon about such things, but can't find it of course. I think it was a live issue at some time and in some place.
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