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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #180 on: July 29, 2015, 01:31:50 AM »
You're right.  I shouldn't listen to conspiracy theories.  I'm just a bit cautious.  We have other more important issues we need to work on, and he's concentrating on trying to change the date, not for sister OO churches, but for the Western churches.  It sends a wrong message to many people in our church, many who I have met think we are all just "one Church".

Do you really think that this proposal will go anywhere?  Again,  there is a lot of talk between the Roman Pope and the EP about unity and this and that.....in the end,  NOTHING.

It is just talk.   It isn't totally useless, as it has fostered a good neighbor policy (which is great to have).   But, I don't see Mt. Athos or anybody else under the EP in a particular hurry to enter communion with Old Rome.

People will think what they want to think.    The Coptic Pope still answers to your Synod does he not?   Trust in that.   Sure it might make some folks in the so called diaspora cranky, but what can you do?

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #181 on: July 29, 2015, 03:48:52 AM »
Do you really think that this proposal will go anywhere?  Again,  there is a lot of talk between the Roman Pope and the EP about unity and this and that.....in the end,  NOTHING.

Perhaps not unity but there is definitely a risk of changing the date of Nativity.  And even if it goes nowhere, it sends the wrong message.  The next time someone tries to teach the people Orthodox ecclesiology, they can just refer to HH's actions and we'll have to shut up.

The Coptic Pope still answers to your Synod does he not?

LOL, very funny!!
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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #182 on: July 29, 2015, 05:59:25 AM »
Do you really think that this proposal will go anywhere?  Again,  there is a lot of talk between the Roman Pope and the EP about unity and this and that.....in the end,  NOTHING.

Perhaps not unity but there is definitely a risk of changing the date of Nativity.  And even if it goes nowhere, it sends the wrong message.  The next time someone tries to teach the people Orthodox ecclesiology, they can just refer to HH's actions and we'll have to shut up.

The Coptic Pope still answers to your Synod does he not?

LOL, very funny!!


How will "unity" platitudes and photo ops affect your ecclesiology?   Your ecclesiology is Orthodox is it not?   You have other bishops.    If Papal Supremacy has reared it's ugly head in Alexandria, than you have bigger problems than a mere coffee date with Pope Francis.

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #183 on: July 29, 2015, 07:42:28 AM »
How will "unity" platitudes and photo ops affect your ecclesiology?

It will affect our "lived" ecclesiology. Also, as I mentioned before the date of Nativity is at serious risk.  The most worrying thing is the abrupt change that took place between the papacies of Pope Shenouda and Pope Tawadros.

Your ecclesiology is Orthodox is it not?

It depends which bishop you hear it from.  As a rule of thumb, if they know what the word "ecclesiology" means, their ecclesiology is Orthodox.

If Papal Supremacy has reared it's ugly head in Alexandria, than you have bigger problems than a mere coffee date with Pope Francis.

You're right on the money here! Perhaps we should unite with Rome after all.
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Worship is theology, so a church which brings Evangelical and Charismatic "praise & worship" into its corporate life is no longer Orthodox.  It is, by definition, heterodox.  Those "Orthodox" leaders who make theological arguments for the incorporation of heteropraxis into the life of the Church are heretics.

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #184 on: July 29, 2015, 10:04:09 PM »
As a rule of thumb, if they know what the word "ecclesiology" means, their ecclesiology is Orthodox.

Such a true statement for anyone.

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #186 on: August 19, 2015, 05:57:18 PM »
Is this relevant:
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« Reply #187 on: August 19, 2015, 06:39:38 PM »
Is this relevant:
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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #188 on: August 19, 2015, 10:21:39 PM »
We have so many of these parody videos lurking around.
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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #189 on: August 19, 2015, 10:40:23 PM »
We have so many of these parody videos lurking around.

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #190 on: August 19, 2015, 10:42:04 PM »
We have so many of these parody videos lurking around.

Please post them all.  I've enjoyed the handful I've seen.

Have you seen this one?

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Re: US Coptic churches and the dates of the Feasts
« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2015, 10:47:59 PM »
We have so many of these parody videos lurking around.

Please post them all.  I've enjoyed the handful I've seen.

Have you seen this one?

http://youtu.be/Fje3g2GE8w0

I just did.  I love you guys. 
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