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« on: November 03, 2003, 07:45:09 PM »

Here's a link with some pictures from a recent concelebration of Oriental Orthodox hierarchs in America.  

http://groups.msn.com/SOCM-FORUM/concelebratedooliturgy2003.msnw
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2003, 08:13:47 PM »

Nice pics, Mor, although about three of them were, unfortunately, fuzzy.  This appeared to be a very colorful celebration with Armenian, Coptic, Syriac and Syro-Malankara prelates taking active part.  An Ethiopian priest is shown chanting.

Now, for the sake of liturgical harmony and continuity, the Liturgy of only one of the Oriental Orthodox Churches could actually be used, I assume; otherwise, you'd have liturgical chaos, or "mish-mosh."  The Rite of which OO Church prevailed in the concelebration?

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2003, 08:58:01 PM »

the host church's liturgy is the base of the liturgy with hymns from other liturgies/traditions taken into this framework.  So it was the Copitic liturgy this time.

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2003, 09:49:25 PM »

Anastasios is right.  The rite of the host church is that which is used.  I regret that some of the pictures were fuzzy, and that there were fewer than I hoped, but I'm thankful that they are online this time.  Last year, I don't remember anyone hosting pictures of the concelebration online.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2003, 10:12:41 PM »

Speaking of concelebration...do you have any idea, Mor, about the status of the OO and the EO since the Joint Commission of the Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches proposed the lifting of anathemas, agreed to at Chambesy, Geneva, in 1993?
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2003, 02:50:48 AM »

Others are probably better suited to answer your question.  Thus far, I think the work of the Joint Commission is one of those things that, while great, is being prayed over and thought about in both communions, but nothing concrete has been done on a wide scale.  In certain places, it is allowed for members of one Church to commune at the other.  I don't have a problem with this so much.  In at least one instance (Antioch), it seems that the Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and the Greek Patriarch in the same city allow for concelebration in some instances, which is something that I don't see a particularly urgent need for, and which I have mixed feelings about.  Because I feel that EO and OO essentially believe the same things, it doesn't bother me on that level, but I still think it is premature for Orthodox hierarchs to sanction concelebration with the Greeks as in the Antiochian case.  So a lot of work needs to be done, with a lot of sobriety and prayer, but I think it is a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2003, 03:02:20 AM »

The Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and the Greek Patriarch are the same person and the same church so of course they concelebrate.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2003, 03:12:14 AM »

By "Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch", I was referring to the Syrian Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch versus the Greek one.  I'm sorry for any confusion.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2003, 03:28:09 AM »

 Smiley The "Greek" (i.e., Eastern) Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and All The East is, yup, an ARAB, not a Greek!  This was not always so in the past.

The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America under the primacy of His Eminence, Metropolitan-Archbishop +PHILIP [Saliba] recognizes and honors His Beatitude, +ELIAS IV, the "Greek" Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch, as its Patriarch.

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2003, 06:19:28 PM »

Smiley The "Greek" (i.e., Eastern) Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and All The East is, yup, an ARAB, not a Greek!  This was not always so in the past.

The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America under the primacy of His Eminence, Metropolitan-Archbishop +PHILIP [Saliba] recognizes and honors His Beatitude, +ELIAS IV, the "Greek" Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch, as its Patriarch.

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Isn't that +IGNATIUS IV (not ELIAS)?
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2003, 08:54:30 PM »

Yes.  Hypo confused him with his predecessor.

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2003, 08:58:46 PM »

Thanks for the correction, Eliseus!   My memory is just not up to par anymore.  Yes, indeed, the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch is His Beatitude, IGNATIUS IV, an Arab.  I don't know where I came up with the name of ELIAS IV.  Embarrassed  Is there a Patriarch somewhere with this name? (If not, I'll take it as my patriarchal name when I'm enthroned somewhere---won't say where!)  Wink

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2003, 10:20:23 PM »

[I don't know where I came up with the name of ELIAS IV.    Is there a Patriarch somewhere with this name?]

The current Patriarch's immediate predecessor, as I mentioned.

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2003, 11:22:17 PM »

Thanks, Samer.

I've reached the age where I sharply remember things that happened 25 or so years ago as if they were yesterday, while sometimes I can't even remember what happened yesterday, a few days ago, or even a few minutes ago.  And all time seems to have disappeared and blended into the present for me.  Please forgive me, brothers and sisters, for my age-induced slip-ups.  I'm mortified!  Embarrassed

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2003, 05:23:48 AM »

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