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« on: May 14, 2009, 04:30:25 PM »

http://www.uocofusa.org/news_090514_1.html

Why on Earth the Ukrainian Church under EP named it's museum in memory of Primate of UAOC?

Do they commemorate his name during the DL?
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 04:36:38 PM »

Well, it looks like UOC-USA accepted him as a canonical bishop, his controversial relationship with UAOC nonwithstanding:

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Mstyslav_(Skrypnyk)_of_Kiev

Episcopacy
When the Ukrainian Committee and the Temporary Church Council was formed in Cholm (Chelm), Skrypnyk was elected a council deputy head (1940). In April 1942 Skrypnyk, by then a widower, entered the priesthood. He took monastic vows in the following month and soon after was consecrated (May 14) as the Bishop of Pereiaslav by the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC). The consecration took place in the famous Church of St Andrew in Kiev.

In August, 1942, the German occupational authorities banned Mstyslav from Kiev General-Governorate. As Mstyslav disobeyed the order, he was arrested in Rivne. On Gestapo accusations he spent half a year imprisoned in Chernihiv and Pryluky. He was freed in Spring 1943 but was ordered not to leave Kiev and banned from conducting the religious services.

In 1944 he moved to Warsaw and later to Germany where he was the head of the Ukrainian Orthodox eparchies in Hessen and Wurtemberg. In 1947 he left for Canada where he was elected the first hierarch of the Ukrainian Greek Orthodox Church (now known as the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada) as archbishop of Winnipeg. In 1949 he resigned from his see.

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA
In 1949 he also became the metropolitan of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in the USA. At the 1949 Council in New York he succeeded in bringing about unification with the eparchy of Bishop Ioan Teodorovych, who became Metropolitan of the UOC of USA. Bishop Mstyslav became his deputy and the head of the consistory. In the US, Bishop Mstyslav began extensive church activity with the Ukrainian Orthodox Center, a publishing house, library and seminary being built in South Bound Brook, New Jersey. In 1969 his authority was extended over the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Churches of Europe and Australia. During his meetings with Ecumenical Patriarch in 1963 and 1971 he brought up the issue of the canonical recognition of the Ukrainian Diaspora churches (UAOC was banned in the USSR, and hence in Soviet Ukraine at that time).

Patriarch
In 1990 he returned to Ukraine where at his age of 92 he was elected the first Patriarch of Kiev and all Ukraine of the UAOC following its controversial and short-lived union with the recently proclaimed Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate. He was enthroned as Patriach Mstyslav on November 6, 1990.

As the status of the new church as well as the overall situation with the Orthodox faith in Ukraine became a subject of wide controversy, following the 1991 attainment of Ukrainian independence (and continued to this day, see History of Christianity in Ukraine), the newly elected ailing patriarch was unable to alleviate any of the problems. He soon died (June 11, 1993) while back in Canada at the age of 95 and was buried in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in the USA center in Bound Brook, New Jersey.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 04:42:24 PM »


All this mess in Ukraine began after his death!

I met him once as a child and am honored to have a Bible signed by him!

By the way, thanks for visiting my consistory's home page, Mike!   Cheesy

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 05:54:59 PM »

Nevermind
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2009, 03:02:57 AM »

Well, it looks like UOC-USA accepted him as a canonical bishop, his controversial relationship with UAOC nonwithstanding:

It would ok if the museum was named in memory of Bishop Mstyslav, but certainly not Patriarch.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 03:28:50 AM »

Well, it looks like UOC-USA accepted him as a canonical bishop, his controversial relationship with UAOC nonwithstanding:

It would ok if the museum was named in memory of Bishop Mstyslav, but certainly not Patriarch.

Wasn't he a patriarch?
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 03:29:58 AM »

Wasn't he a patriarch?

In a mainstream Church? No, he was not.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 03:48:09 AM »

Wasn't he a patriarch?

In a mainstream Church? No, he was not.

That's open for debate.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 05:15:33 AM »

Wasn't he a patriarch?

In a mainstream Church? No, he was not.

That's open for debate.

If no one was willing to recognize the 15th Century tome giving the church in Ukraine autocepholy, what kind of Patriarch was he? That's why the UOC USA aligned itself with the EP to begin with.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 02:09:29 AM »

Wasn't he a patriarch?

In a mainstream Church? No, he was not.

That's open for debate.

If no one was willing to recognize the 15th Century tome giving the church in Ukraine autocepholy, what kind of Patriarch was he? That's why the UOC USA aligned itself with the EP to begin with.

http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=146797

"As a consequence of this conciliar decision, following the guidance of the Holy Spirit, We have decided: to recognize an autocephalic administration for the Orthodox Church in Poland and give our blessings to this, so that from this day on It may be governed as a spiritual Sister, and decided Its affairs independently and in an autocephalic manner, according to the regulations and unlimited rights of other Holy Autocephalic Orthodox Churches, recognizing as its Supreme Church Authority, the Holy Synod, composed of orthodox canonical bishops in Poland, whose president shall at all times be the Blessed Metropolitan of Warsaw and of all Poland. To preserve and canonically maintain united with Our Holy Apostolic Ecumenical Patriarchal See, as well as with all other Autocephalic Orthodox Churches, We mention here the obligations which every Metropolitan of Warsaw and of all Poland will have: ie. to inform, according to the regulations of the Holy Orthodox, of his election and enthronization by an enthronization letter Our Great Christian Church as well as all other Autocephalous Orthodox Sister-Churches: To retain everything related to a firm maintenance of the Faith and Orthodox piety, as well as all that is commanded by the holy canons and regulations of the Orthodox Church; to also commemorate in accordance with regulations in the Diptychs the name of the Ecumenical Patriarch and other Patriarchs as well as the Hierarchs of other Autocephalic Churches. In addition to this we decree, that the Autocephalous Orthodox Sister-Church in Poland must obtain its Holy Myrh (oil) from Our Great Christian Church. We advise at this time, that in matters concerning church order and in matters of a more general nature, which are beyond the jurisdictional limits of every Autocephalous Church acting individually, that the Blessed Metropolitan of Warsaw and of all Poland to apply to Our Holy Ecumenical Patriarchal See, through whose mediation union with every Orthodox Church, "... rightly teaching the word of truth" and request authoritive opinions and help from Sister-Churches."

"Also, Ukrainian Church Councils of the Orthodox Church of all the movements in Ukraine-Councils which were composed of Bishops as well, basing themselves upon Apostolic Canon 34 and upon the approval of Patriarch of Moscow +TIKHON dated November 20, 1920, and again March 24, 1924 (Number 145) offically proclaimed the Ukrainian Church to be autocephalous on several occasions:

(a) October, 1921, in Kiev by a Church Council of Clergy and laity, representatives from all Ukraine.
(b) September 5, 1922, the Church Council in Kiev headed by Exarch of Ukraine, Metropolitan +MICHAEL (Yermakov):
(c) May 21, 1925, a Council of the Ukrainian Church held in Kharkiv, recognized as well by an all-Russian Church in Moscow on October 6, 1925:
(d) November 25, 1941, a Council of Bishops in the Pochayiv Lavra headed by Archbishop +OLEKSIY (Hromadsky)."


That's recognition...isn't it??
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 12:18:30 PM »

He became Patriarch not in 1920s but in 1990s whet UAOC wasn't recognised by any mainstream Church
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 02:12:33 PM »

He became Patriarch not in 1920s but in 1990s whet UAOC wasn't recognised by any mainstream Church

Exactly. Nobody paid any mind to the UOC, and would not serve with the clergy in the US. Aligning with the EP was smart; it made it canonical in the eyes of World Orthodoxy, kept us out of the hands of Moscow, and allowed us to continue to keep our Ukrainian culture in our churches. Many feared by going under the EP we would "become Greek." The only time I hear Greek spoken in my home parish in NJ is at Pascha when we include "Christos Anesti" in with the many exclamations of "Christ is risen!"
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 12:59:53 AM »

He became Patriarch not in 1920s but in 1990s whet UAOC wasn't recognised by any mainstream Church

At the time he was Patriarch the UOC of USA was not inside canonical Orthodoxy. And in fact, the last will and testament of his successor Dmytry, requested that the UAOC be administered by Metropolitan Constantine. Unfortunately, this did not occur.

And also the Patriarch apparently did concelebrate with Ukrainian hierarchs in the UOCUSA, although I will check my sources to confirm or deny this.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 04:55:08 AM »

He became Patriarch not in 1920s but in 1990s whet UAOC wasn't recognised by any mainstream Church

And also the Patriarch apparently did concelebrate with Ukrainian hierarchs in the UOCUSA, although I will check my sources to confirm or deny this.

Mysti celebrated with who? Mysti was head of the UOCUSA, and +Met Constantine did take over. I'm not sure what you're saying here.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 03:39:43 PM »

@Ukiemeister:

Does you Church pray for him during DLs and title him as Patriarch?
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