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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2013, 02:46:54 PM »
That's why you create a static time-warp bubble around your vessel to prevent that.  Don't you watch Star Trek?  Sheesh!

You gotta be careful monkeying with that stuff though. Can be dangerous.

Also, this thread needs more ST, therefore I will link to the best beginning of a Star Trek episode ever. First time I saw that my mind was blown.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2013, 02:52:56 PM »
If a Vulcan does a mind meld on me so that I forget the teachings of the Church, does God hold me responsible for this? How would one go about confessing such a sin?

Oh, come on. If a Vulcan met you he'd probably do the "Vulcan Death Grip" on you (cf. "Enterprise Incident" Season 3)

I have always been very kind to the Vulcans I come in contact with. Sure we have the occasional disagreement in which I am subjected to a mind meld, but we have a strict rule against death grips.  They make intergalatic friendships a bit too tense.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2013, 08:30:48 PM »
I was disconnected yesterday when replying to another topic about the possibility of Intelligent alien life in the universe. They were arguing against the possibility of other intelligent life because of there being no mention of them in the Bible.

The issue is no different than what most people believed, that we were the center of the Universe, or that everything revolved around us.
Also there was no knowledge of Dinosaurs or much of the life that exists today.

The Bible is not a scientific roadmap of our universe, nor does it need be.We always stumble when we insist we know things about our world which are not what the Bible is about. Galileo, who is a prime example of the churches mishandling of scripture, once said "the Bible is about how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go".

There is a formula for figuring the odds of intelligent Life in our galaxy which has the ability like us to communicate at some point in the future .

The Drake equation is:

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
and
R* = the average number of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[8]

This is used by the SETI institute in their search for intelligent Life near us in our own galaxy. The problem in doing this is that even the nearest star, Alpha Centauri is 4.5 light years away, so radio waves which travel at the speed of light would take 4.5 years one way. Of course this is possible, but unlikely that their is life that close or we would have heard something. Our own planet has been transmitting only for about 75 years, as all radio or TV broadcasts that are sent  automatically move away from earth at the speed of light. So that means any planet within 75 light years could hear us, but it would take another 75 if they tried to contact us back.

But the real issue in this is that our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100 thousand light years wide, so if we wanted to talk with someone on the other side of our galaxy it would take 100 thousand years each way. And most of the stars we see in our galaxy are 100s of light years away. So this is worse than finding a needle in a haystack .

But when you want to say that we are the only Life, Intelligent or otherwise in the universe, the incredible size is what makes that unlikely.

 There are Billions of stars in our galaxy. A person cannot even ever count to one billion even if that is all you did all your life, so the numbers are staggering. Then we must accept that there are Billions of other galaxies, all of which are huge , some much larger than ours. And so the odds of Intelligent life in our galaxy let alone billion of others is very likely, if not absolute.

God loves us all, and he is in charge of this Universe, possibly other Universes as well, but we should humbe ourselves, and not act as if we are his only creations.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2013, 08:32:49 PM »
I was disconnected yesterday when replying to another topic about the possibility of Intelligent alien life in the universe. They were arguing against the possibility of other intelligent life because of there being no mention of them in the Bible.

The issue is no different than what most people believed, that we were the center of the Universe, or that everything revolved around us.
Also there was no knowledge of Dinosaurs or much of the life that exists today.

The Bible is not a scientific roadmap of our universe, nor does it need be.We always stumble when we insist we know things about our world which are not what the Bible is about. Galileo, who is a prime example of the churches mishandling of scripture, once said "the Bible is about how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go".

There is a formula for figuring the odds of intelligent Life in our galaxy which has the ability like us to communicate at some point in the future .

The Drake equation is:

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
and
R* = the average number of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[8]

This is used by the SETI institute in their search for intelligent Life near us in our own galaxy. The problem in doing this is that even the nearest star, Alpha Centauri is 4.5 light years away, so radio waves which travel at the speed of light would take 4.5 years one way. Of course this is possible, but unlikely that their is life that close or we would have heard something. Our own planet has been transmitting only for about 75 years, as all radio or TV broadcasts that are sent  automatically move away from earth at the speed of light. So that means any planet within 75 light years could hear us, but it would take another 75 if they tried to contact us back.

But the real issue in this is that our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100 thousand light years wide, so if we wanted to talk with someone on the other side of our galaxy it would take 100 thousand years each way. And most of the stars we see in our galaxy are 100s of light years away. So this is worse than finding a needle in a haystack .

But when you want to say that we are the only Life, Intelligent or otherwise in the universe, the incredible size is what makes that unlikely.

 There are Billions of stars in our galaxy. A person cannot even ever count to one billion even if that is all you did all your life, so the numbers are staggering. Then we must accept that there are Billions of other galaxies, all of which are huge , some much larger than ours. And so the odds of Intelligent life in our galaxy let alone billion of others is very likely, if not absolute.

God loves us all, and he is in charge of this Universe, possibly other Universes as well, but we should humbe ourselves, and not act as if we are his only creations.

But what if the dinosaurs were really aliens and they are coming back to wreck vengeance on us for messing up their planet?  *mind blown*
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2013, 08:50:39 PM »
We don't have a prayer? ;)
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2013, 10:43:46 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.
Icons travel quite fine in space.

veneration is easy too.
I'm sure bibles travel well too.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2013, 12:24:12 AM »
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I have always been very kind to the Vulcans I come in contact with. Sure we have the occasional disagreement in which I am subjected to a mind meld, but we have a strict rule against death grips.  They make intergalatic friendships a bit too tense.
If a Vulcan visited the United States, would (s)he owe taxes if (s)he stayed more than a year?

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2013, 12:29:29 AM »
If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?

Would we have Russian and Greek churches both claiming jurisdiction? After all, it would be churches made by immigrants, and if they are Russians they would want to be under the Russian church! but then Americans would be there too, and say it is under the patriarchate of Constantinople!

and then Jerusalem would claim one of the Antioch's asteroids as being theirs!

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2013, 12:31:47 AM »
Would services be longer, given different lengths of 'daytime' off Earth?
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2013, 12:40:40 AM »
To avoid the appearance of scandal, right-believing travelers by the stars ought to refer to the first four planets by the corresponding names:

St. John the Baptist (Mercury in pagan/papist terminology)
St. Mary Magdalene (Venus in pagan/papist terminology)
Yis, followed by a zealous defense of the Etos Kosmou (Earth in pagan/papist/secularist terminology)
St. George (Mars in pagan/papist terminology)
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2013, 12:45:48 AM »
Would services be longer, given different lengths of 'daytime' off Earth?
Good question.  The day on Jupiter is about 5 hours, so a Russian Liturgy would last about a day.  ;)

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2013, 07:57:45 PM »
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I have always been very kind to the Vulcans I come in contact with. Sure we have the occasional disagreement in which I am subjected to a mind meld, but we have a strict rule against death grips.  They make intergalatic friendships a bit too tense.
If a Vulcan visited the United States, would (s)he owe taxes if (s)he stayed more than a year?

More accurately we would owe them taxes for signing us up to the Federation of Planets.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2013, 08:01:29 PM »
What if our first contact experience was with the Klingons?  :o
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2013, 08:06:51 PM »
What if our first contact experience was with the Klingons?  :o

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2013, 08:32:29 PM »
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I have always been very kind to the Vulcans I come in contact with. Sure we have the occasional disagreement in which I am subjected to a mind meld, but we have a strict rule against death grips.  They make intergalatic friendships a bit too tense.
If a Vulcan visited the United States, would (s)he owe taxes if (s)he stayed more than a year?

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
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Or Georgian.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2013, 12:50:40 PM »
And so it begins...


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