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Offline ialmisry

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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #315 on: November 26, 2013, 11:02:22 PM »
I would hope that the Roman Catholic Church would hold to its encyclical on human life, especially the one condemning birth control.

It used to be that the Orthodox Church held a similar view with the Catholic Church on birth control.
Unfortunately in 1920, Orthodoxy caved into the same position as the Anglican Church, changed its teachings and started allowing birth control. This happened at the same time that the Orthodox Church forced the horrific New Calendar on an unsuspecting Orthodox people. Coincidence? No.
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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #316 on: November 26, 2013, 11:17:08 PM »
sperm isn't an unborn child.  

St. John Chrysostom said somewhere that killing of sperm is akin to homicide.

I take him at his word as sperm are alive. When we deliberately kill any living thing that God has created, be it sperm, spiders, or ducks, we are not acting in a very Christian manner.



Not only does this imply that you dont eat meat but...you do realise plants are alive also, right?

Eating of food is different from killing just for the pleasure of it. When men and women kill sperm so that they can experience pleasure without the risk of pregnancy, this is a lustful and sick act.
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sperm isn't an unborn child.  

St. John Chrysostom said somewhere that killing of sperm is akin to homicide.

I take him at his word as sperm are alive. When we deliberately kill any living thing that God has created, be it sperm, spiders, or ducks, we are not acting in a very Christian manner.
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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #317 on: November 27, 2013, 12:05:54 AM »


C'mon, NFP people, is it really this difficult to assemble a coherent argument?

Isn't the blatant and deliberate use of chemical, physical, and biological weapons to kill sperm and an unborn child a coherent argument against the use of artificial birth control?

As opposed to the use of the menstrual cycle to allow sperm to die? No, it's not. Try again.

I have seen enough nonsense in my life that I believe that, on the basis of a given set of premises, a suitably coherent argument can be created to back up any silly idea. Because human reason is that wonderful and dangerous. So the great NFP argument is waiting there to be discovered. It just hasn't appeared on any thread that I've seen on this forum.
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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #318 on: November 27, 2013, 12:55:54 AM »
God created the female cycle with telltale signs of fertility which do not require thermometers or anything else. In essence, NFP is God's way allowing spacing of children.

Once the 'telltale signs of fertility' appear, it is too late to abstain. NFP is a way to optimise the chances of conception, not contraception in any way. Basic biology that everyone should know.

The NFP can be used for both wanting conception and for spacing children.
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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #319 on: November 27, 2013, 12:57:59 AM »
God created the female cycle with telltale signs of fertility which do not require thermometers or anything else. In essence, NFP is God's way allowing spacing of children.

Once the 'telltale signs of fertility' appear, it is too late to abstain. NFP is a way to optimise the chances of conception, not contraception in any way. Basic biology that everyone should know.

Someone once told me that even the NFP method was a no-no in the early church because of its negative usage. So even the RCC has come a ways in the acceptance of this method of contraception.

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Re: What Would The Catholic Church Have To Concede?
« Reply #320 on: November 27, 2013, 01:51:05 AM »
Topic locked for 24 hour cool down period. Maybe then posters can start to get back on the ot -username! section moderator