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« on: May 11, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »

Is this to be thought of in the same way as the embassy of a nation in another?  In other words, if I go to an OCA Representation Church in Russia is it as if I were going to one here in the States?  And is this sort of church commonplace?
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2009, 05:26:23 PM »


Here is a link to the OCA's representation church in Moscow.
http://www.st-catherine.ru/index.php?lang=eng&sitepartid=2
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 05:46:19 PM »

If I were temporarily living in Moscow, I would probably go to St Catherine. I have a hard time imagining going to a representational church if I were just visiting Moscow, or any other European or Middle Eastern city. It seems kind of like eating at Mickey D's when you're in Hong Kong for the weekend.


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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 05:52:07 PM »

If I were temporarily living in Moscow, I would probably go to St Catherine. I have a hard time imagining going to a representational church if I were just visiting Moscow, or any other European or Middle Eastern city. It seems kind of like eating at Mickey D's when you're in Hong Kong for the weekend.




Well, does St. Catherines in the Fields use Church Slavonic or English?  And even if they do use English that probably would be the only difference between it and a MP church up the street.  It is important to remember that the OCA does use Russian small traditions and serves liturgically Russian style.  Although a local parish of the OCA may use some varying chant styles they still use Slavic/Russian liturgical customs.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 10:24:57 PM »

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 10:30:06 PM »

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?

That's what I was wondering.  I assume that the secular analogy would be a foreign consulate in another country.   Huh
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 10:59:41 PM »

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?

They are there at the request of the host Church. The best analogy is that they are Embassies. The person assigned is usually an Archimandrite or Bishop and their main function is to be a liaison between between their home synod and the host synod. One of the key qualifications is the ability to speak their native tongue as well as the tongue of the land that they assigned to so that they can be the bridge and official translator.   
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 11:13:56 PM »

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?

They are there at the request of the host Church. The best analogy is that they are Embassies. The person assigned is usually an Archimandrite or Bishop and their main function is to be a liaison between between their home synod and the host synod. One of the key qualifications is the ability to speak their native tongue as well as the tongue of the land that they assigned to so that they can be the bridge and official translator.   

So other then the OCA/MP, is this type of arrangement common in other jurisdictions?
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 11:42:06 PM »

I've read something related to the life of St. Rafael of Brooklyn, which made reference to a representation church of the Patriarchate of Antioch in Russia, at Moscow, as I recall, but it may have been in St. Petersberg.  During the tenure of Patriarch Bartholomew, the Ecumenical Patriarchate negotiated permission from the Church of Greece for the establishment of an office for the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Athens, Greece.  The last time I read anything about it, the two churches were in dispute over the number of employees that would be authorized to staff the office.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 10:34:07 AM »

The CoP has some plans of starting one in Patriarchate of Jerusalem but I don't know more.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2009, 11:01:24 AM »

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?

That's what I was wondering.  I assume that the secular analogy would be a foreign consulate in another country.   Huh

yes, they are often called "Ambassador Churches."

I'm confused.  How can this work canonically?  Why is an OCA church on Russian soil?  If English speakers need to be ministered to, why cannot the MP simply provide an English speaking parish under its own jurisdiction?

They are there at the request of the host Church. The best analogy is that they are Embassies. The person assigned is usually an Archimandrite or Bishop and their main function is to be a liaison between between their home synod and the host synod. One of the key qualifications is the ability to speak their native tongue as well as the tongue of the land that they assigned to so that they can be the bridge and official translator.   

So other then the OCA/MP, is this type of arrangement common in other jurisdictions?

Very common, even normal.  The Archbishop of Sinai, for instance, actually resides in his metochion (the technical term) to Alexandria, in Cairo.

Btw, the Vatican has them: they are called Titular Churches.  St. Peter's is actually the one for Constantinople.
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