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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2011, 03:51:19 AM »
This parish belongs to the Belarusan Greek Catholic Church,

Where did  you get that?

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The Archbishop of Warsaw is their hierarch.

Not anymore, now - Bishop Zbigniew Kiernikowski of Siedlce.
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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2011, 07:24:00 AM »
  As children of the Union of Brest the Ruthenian Recension of the Byzantine Rite is ...and it is older than the Nikonian Recension they have now adopted. 


Do you mean the pre-Mohyla reforms? 

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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2011, 10:55:47 PM »
Where did  you get that?

Well, they claim to be children of the Union of Brest which included Ukrainians and Belarusans, use the Byzantine-Slavonic Rite in its Nikonian Recension, and aren't part of the Ukrainian Catholic Metropolia of Poland.  Of course the Belarusan Greek Catholic Church hasn't been formally re-erected, their Exarchate remains without a bishop like the Russian Exarchate.  They have an Archimandrite serving as Apostolic visitator.

Not anymore, now - Bishop Zbigniew Kiernikowski of Siedlce.

Oversight may have been delegated by the Metropolitan Archbishop to his suffragan but the Archbishop of Warsaw remains the ordinary for this parish and the Armenian Catholic parishes in Poland, at least according to Rome.
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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2011, 11:34:05 PM »
Do you mean the pre-Mohyla reforms?

The Ruthenian Recension Liturgical books were unaffected by the reforms of Patriarch Nikon so the differences are not due to introducing changes but preserving older usages. 
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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2011, 08:46:51 AM »
Well, they claim to be children of the Union of Brest which included Ukrainians and Belarusans, use the Byzantine-Slavonic Rite in its Nikonian Recension, and aren't part of the Ukrainian Catholic Metropolia of Poland.  

They do not use that name and they don't have any ties with the Belarusian Catholic Church. They claim that they are unique.

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Oversight may have been delegated by the Metropolitan Archbishop to his suffragan but the Archbishop of Warsaw remains the ordinary for this parish and the Armenian Catholic parishes in Poland, at least according to Rome.

Pope Benedict XVI made on June 9 2007 Bishop Zbigniew Kiernikowski (an ordinary of the Siedlce diocese, not a suffragan to anyone) an apostolic visitator of the Byzantine-Slavonic Catholic Church in Poland.

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As children of the Union of Brest the Ruthenian Recension of the Byzantine Rite is their heritage along with the Ukrainians, Rusyns, Slovaks, Hungarians, and Croats and it is older than the Nikonian Recension they have now adopted.

The mother of the parish is not the Union of Brest but the request of the Orthodox parishioners in 1927 to be transferred under the Pope. They follow the synodical Liturgy.

Your information is a bit incomplete.
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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2011, 11:10:05 PM »
They do not use that name and they don't have any ties with the Belarusian Catholic Church. They claim that they are unique.
Their website states their value their relationship with both the Ukrainian aand Belarusian Greek Catholic Churches.  If they are not Belarusian then what are they?  If they are Ukrainians then I guess they are unique in not being part of the UGCC.


Pope Benedict XVI made on June 9 2007 Bishop Zbigniew Kiernikowski (an ordinary of the Siedlce diocese, not a suffragan to anyone) an apostolic visitator of the Byzantine-Slavonic Catholic Church in Poland.
He is both the ordinary of Siedlce and the suffragan of the Metropolitan of Lublin.  You are correct, it appears Bishop Zbigniew was given the parish at Kostomloty and the Armenian parishes remain with Warsaw.

The mother of the parish is not the Union of Brest but the request of the Orthodox parishioners in 1927 to be transferred under the Pope. They follow the synodical Liturgy.  Your information is a bit incomplete.

Their website states the parish began in 1627, of course parishes in this area went back and forth between Catholic and Orthodox as the territiory went back and forth between Poland and Russia, this parish finally returning to the Catholic Church in 1927.


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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2011, 11:33:32 PM »
The mother of the parish is not the Union of Brest but the request of the Orthodox parishioners in 1927 to be transferred under the Pope.

What brought that on?


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Re: Can a married (ex)Catholic priest be an Orthodox priest?
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2011, 04:17:40 AM »
If they are not Belarusian then what are they?  If they are Ukrainians then I guess they are unique in not being part of the UGCC.

Why can't they be unique?

The mother of the parish is not the Union of Brest but the request of the Orthodox parishioners in 1927 to be transferred under the Pope.

What brought that on?

Who cares?


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They follow the synodical Liturgy.

What's that?

They serve the Liturgy as the Russians do without the modifications the UGCC did.
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