It certainly does matter that he was inebriated when he committed this act whether you're willing to accept that fact or not. Alcohol can (and often does) cloud our judgment and loosen our inhibitions. We see the result with Noah and his sons when Noah allowed himself to become drunk with wine. There are many other biblical examples of this. It is anyone's guess what wrongful actions other clergy would indulge in were their inhibitions clouded by the demon of alcohol. That is by no means a justification for his actions BUT it is a partial explanation. You cannot dismiss this so simplistically.
Bear with my while I think out loud...
Your claim to express a "different view"...reasonable
Your style of debate is self-effacing, you claim to not take it personal if others views differ exhibit humility and willingness to learn; you even thank them for widening your horizons;HOWEVER
, Your style of debate has had me on edge since the beginning, but I couldn't find any flaws in your interaction; you seem to be more wronged than wrong; and you are quick to forgive, and take "nothing personal"; bending over backward, to be generous; apologizing rather than become confrontational and willing to tolerate "different views" to the point that I wonder if you believe you are living and proclaiming what Christ, the Apostles and Tradition have proscribed; the scriptures witness that there are traits, behaviors that are expected of leaders....if there was no delineation, why all of Paul's admonishions...and why was it to the leaders that Christ spoke His most venomous words? ...and the majority on this thread hold a "different view" the view that is that written Scripture, and the writings of the Fathers also hold; Your view, while sprinkled with grains of truth is so contrary/ (maybe twisted is a better word) to yours that a stranger wandering by would wonder if we are talking about the same Church, the same God, the Same Tradition..
....that or we have one who has wandered in among us, who has gone beyond his realization that he is chief of sinners and has almost become perfect in imperfection (including his own)...and because of that imperfection, no one can ever hold another accountable....and we must change the way things have always been because of this clarity of there is only one level...all are equal in sinfulness.....why have you not spoken about the fruit of virtue of his repentance that for the good of the Church, for the good of the Gospel, criminal record or not, we need his example? I am not being sarcastic...
I am willing to myself on the line and make it personal....I do not judge you, I do not judge Bishop Demetri....but I do judge your "view"...which BTW is not a view it's dogma...those things that concern the Order and guarding the Truth, the Church has standards, canons, and traditions to and responsibility to protect it...its what were here for...if we cannot offer the way of Salvation to the World, we cease to be the Church.
The Church has procedures that may change, but the Church has always has Order and canons, traditions, to do ...whatever it takes to guard, protect and hand on the Truth entrusted to it.
Your "view", which states because we are all imperfect, we all sin, we all depend on the mercy and grace of God for all; and that anyone who turns toward him and lives a life of repentance, true repentance, will be saved...and only God can judge the heart, and at times the fruit of repentance may be visible only to God.....all true,
However, we are accountable to one another...it's not just "me and Jesus" and "you have to believe me if I say I repent, because God sees my heart and he knows I have repented."
What you do, and, even more so, what the person/s who are responsible for handing on the Faith to me; responsible for uniting me to Christ IS PERSONAL.
And, although I have not read every post in this thread, your solos Scripture is showing when you say we are not to judge....I refer you to Chrysostom's homilies...basically he says anyone who would looks at evil and doesn't call it evil...either a fool, or a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Christ teaching had more to do with judging with True Wisdom...which we can only have in Christ, and that it is still playing with fire, because the standard we judge by are what will be applied to us. I am called to become like Christ, and He is my ideal and my Standard and the only One I measure myself by... I learn Christ because I partly because I see Him transform others....and it is to those I look...and yes judge to follow their example, their faithfulness, their humility....But, I am not on my own....the Church gives me Saints and Shepherds, examples to follow....it's important and it's personal how one uses their body to follow Christ...(reference below about the mystical bond of body and soul and other members of Christ's body, the Church) IT'S ALL PERSONAL...
And for those things we need to learn and LIVE and bear FRUITS OF....LIKE repentance, the Church does not lack for mentors, teachers and examples of true repentance...LOOKS LIKE....AND IT LOOKS THE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FROM ALL ANGLES....if someone is living a life of true repentance they will not have to be pushed in your face....those qualities, those fruits will draw others....and if Bishop Demetri is rich in these fruits, he will be welcomed and loved, no matter what kind of list he is on.....it wouldn't be the first time a flock has followed a shepherd that has been caught on the wrong side of the law/or the popular view of the day....you don't have to defend the Bishop, his life will do that (or witness against him-it cuts both ways) if the time comes and he returns.
St. Mary of Egypt being the icon of repentance...repentance is the way to Salvation, not a stopover on the way back to the job you got fired from.
And blaming that demon alcohol for the evil of sin....WE ARE NOT DUALISTS/ EVIL HAS NO SUBSTANCE
GOD CREATED ALL THINGS GOOD- Evil has no independent existence (EVIL IS movement toward utter nonexistence......Again...going to the heart of the Sin in Bishop Demetri's treatment of another human and if their humanity, AS IF THEY HAD NO IMAGEO DEO....
btw, you were exactly right when you said that alcohol reduces inhibitions...and people do things they otherwise might not do....but the alcohol only weakens what one is struggling with...it doesn't create out of the blue behavior that we are not struggling with on some level when we are completely sober.
In other words, the "sin was in the bottle" or "the devil made me do it"...doesn't fly here.
Your "views" are not just "different"... I am beginning to sense they are dangerous.
Back to the Main Issue..
We are embodied souls (we are not shells with spirits living inside....our body and soul cannot be divided.... and it is not possible for a Christian to only commit a "little violation" that only involves rudely touching anther just a "body"...what touches the body touches the soul and what touches the soul affects the body...and since we are all joined mystically through Christ...the spirit is nudging me to not expose myself, and in turn, those I am bound and accountable to in continuing with debating your views, no matter how civilized, tolerant, and open to my opinions you may be...What ever happens, we are not totally at the mercy of those who may be wolves in sheep's clothing. Each one of us, in mystical paradox have Christ, the Way, the Truth, the Light, the Gospel living within us...and the sheep know the True Shepherd's voice....but that means not being lulled by those who tell us their view is what the church teaches, when your heart tells you otherwise. It is time to flee.
And I question the value and wisdom of conversing with you at all...you are either very holy and wise or very clever and dangerous. And the spirit is nudging that this might not be a very good place to be right now.
But back to your "different view".....your almost perfect virtue, humility, and lowliness that would refrain from condemning the anyone,
eliminating the possibility of erring on the side of perfect faith that would demand signs that God's Grace has fully restored and healed a soul; we, and I mean those with a view other than yours, demonstrate a lack of faith, act with presumption and prelest by demanding that those responsible for us, exhibit visible signs of repentance, metanoia, transformation, in other words show us Christ, so we can become like Christ.
That is the role of the Bishop- HE IS THE ONE THAT IS TO TRANSFORM US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND (though there is always overlap, we have responsibility to pray and support and obey him...but not to grow him into a Bishop...in other words, there is not total parity)
Your way of expressing yourself, your way of interacting immediately puts others on the defensive...your "non judgmental attitude toward "different views" and your claims that we are all on the same plane as sinners doesn't add up either; you seem to have gone beyond what all Orthodox Christians claim to be, "chief of sinners" to one who is chief of the chief bid those of us who question you, end up appearing to question one who has reached perfection in admitting his imperfection.
Before I close, again, you confuse me and since I don't know if this is good or bad debate, I will say that if I ever fall, stumble into sin that harms someone so much and publicly shames the church, I hope I have someone like you by my side to keep me from despair.As you have done so far, for whatever reasons for your presence here-May the Mercy of God always be the first words on your lips.