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« on: May 07, 2009, 09:44:30 PM »

If you go to this site you will see he lives in Miami, FL
There was a warning from the person who wrote under the name of Abdullah Khouri (Servant of God, priest)
that Metropolitan Philip would try to re-instate him as a bishop in the United States.
All the other things Abdullah wrote have come true. God forbid this last prophecy.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40249
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 10:13:26 PM »

If you go to this site you will see he lives in Miami, FL
There was a warning from the person who wrote under the name of Abdullah Khouri (Servant of God, priest)
that Metropolitan Philip would try to re-instate him as a bishop in the United States.
All the other things Abdullah wrote have come true. God forbid this last prophecy.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40249

Looking for a tie breaker bishop to sign?  If the Metropolitan thought he had trouble before.....

Of course, this would be the dummest thing, as, as you point out, his wearabouts are monitored.  Anyone can, and I assure you many will, see if he is here or not.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 11:03:34 PM »

If you go to this site you will see he lives in Miami, FL
There was a warning from the person who wrote under the name of Abdullah Khouri (Servant of God, priest)
that Metropolitan Philip would try to re-instate him as a bishop in the United States.
All the other things Abdullah wrote have come true. God forbid this last prophecy.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40249

Looking for a tie breaker bishop to sign?  If the Metropolitan thought he had trouble before.....

Of course, this would be the dummest thing, as, as you point out, his wearabouts are monitored.  Anyone can, and I assure you many will, see if he is here or not.

Isa,

I would agree it would be the dumbest thing but demoting our diocesan bishops sure wasn't an act of genius either.
And +demetri is favored by the priests in Detroit.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2009, 01:20:03 AM »

So when does a "convicted felon" become just an ordinary sinner like the rest of us? The man was drunk, he groped a woman, he was convicted and he paid the penalty. Or has he not paid a "high enough" price for some? You know... I blush to think what others might think of me if my indiscretions and my sins were made public. And I'm just bold enough to suggest that the same could be said for each and every poster on this forum. Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2009, 01:24:23 AM »

Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
You mean behave like Christians?
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2009, 01:53:35 AM »

So when does a "convicted felon" become just an ordinary sinner like the rest of us? The man was drunk, he groped a woman, he was convicted and he paid the penalty. Or has he not paid a "high enough" price for some? You know... I blush to think what others might think of me if my indiscretions and my sins were made public. And I'm just bold enough to suggest that the same could be said for each and every poster on this forum. Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?

The man needs to be deposed so he can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop within our archdiocese.
And there are some very powerful priests in the archdiocese who want to make it happen.

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2009, 01:57:33 AM »

The man woman needs to be deposed excommunicated so he she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop gossip-monger within our her archdiocese.

According to the Canons of the Orthodox Church, you cannot be punished twice for the same offence..... but look who I'm trying to talk to about the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2009, 01:59:58 AM »

The man woman needs to be deposed excommunicated so he she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop gossip-monger within our her archdiocese.

no one has said he should be excommunicated. He just needs to return to lay status so he can heal.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2009, 02:19:54 AM »

Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
You mean behave like Christians?

Sadly, Oz, they re behaving like Christians, based on my experience. Tommorow's Friday...Shabbat Shalom everybody!
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 02:27:13 AM »

Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
You mean behave like Christians?

Sadly, Oz, they re behaving like Christians, based on my experience. Tommorow's Friday...Shabbat Shalom everybody!

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 02:43:10 AM »

Nedostoyniy!  How do you say unworthy in Syrian?

He must not serve as a priest or auxillary bishop or the Metropolitan.

Twenty percent of American females have been sexually abused!  (Look up the reference yourself.)  Imagine their pain having a convicted sex felon
serving in church! How about a convicted sex offender being the LEADER of their diocese?

For those men who will now respond,"Oh, but he was drunk", I will pray that God never sends you wives or daughters.  

I challenge the moderator to not lock and delete this topic without  consulting female OCnet readers, his wife, mother, grandmother, matushka and GOD.
 
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2009, 02:53:19 AM »

I challenge the moderator to not lock and delete this topic without  consulting female OCnet readers, his wife, mother, grandmother, matushka and GOD.

You see, this kind of hysterical dramatics is exactly why we don't delete posts. They stand as testimony to the posters.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2009, 09:06:13 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 09:44:32 AM »

So when does a "convicted felon" become just an ordinary sinner like the rest of us? The man was drunk, he groped a woman, he was convicted and he paid the penalty. Or has he not paid a "high enough" price for some? You know... I blush to think what others might think of me if my indiscretions and my sins were made public. And I'm just bold enough to suggest that the same could be said for each and every poster on this forum. Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?

Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
You mean behave like Christians?

Sadly, Oz, they re behaving like Christians, based on my experience. Tommorow's Friday...Shabbat Shalom everybody!

Give it a rest.  No one took up positions in the judgement seat:


If you go to this site you will see he lives in Miami, FL
There was a warning from the person who wrote under the name of Abdullah Khouri (Servant of God, priest)
that Metropolitan Philip would try to re-instate him as a bishop in the United States.
All the other things Abdullah wrote have come true. God forbid this last prophecy.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=40249

Looking for a tie breaker bishop to sign?  If the Metropolitan thought he had trouble before.....

Of course, this would be the dummest thing, as, as you point out, his wearabouts are monitored.  Anyone can, and I assure you many will, see if he is here or not.

Isa,

I would agree it would be the dumbest thing but demoting our diocesan bishops sure wasn't an act of genius either.
And +demetri is favored by the priests in Detroit.


What was pointed out was the continous mechinations in the Antiochian Archdiocese.  How beholdin' do you think Bp. Demitri would be to the Metropolitan and the powers that be if they brought him back?

So the Metropolitan found out that he needed fresh ink for the rubber stamp synod.  Is Bp. Demitri the refresher? 

That question has nothing to do with the best course for Bp. Demitri's personal salvation/problems/redemption...whatever.  And it requires no judgment of him personally.  Just the intelligence and honesty to state that piling one controversial issue over another, as bringing a convicted bishop back (when it was made quite clear he could not) into the midst of an ongoing canonical crisis, isn't going to solve either issue, but exaserbate both.

The man woman needs to be deposed excommunicated so he she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop gossip-monger within our her archdiocese.

According to the Canons of the Orthodox Church, you cannot be punished twice for the same offence..... but look who I'm trying to talk to about the Orthodox Church.

someone who isn't cowed?
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 09:51:07 AM »

The man woman needs to be deposed excommunicated so he she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop gossip-monger within our her archdiocese.

no one has said he should be excommunicated. He just needs to return to lay status so he can heal.



I totally agree Tamara. It would be absurd to make him a bishop again. This isn't about not judging others and focusing on your own sins. Bishops must be moral men. The Bible even talks about the character men must have to be qualified to be bishops. We cannot have convicted sex offenders as clergy. Imagine the women who have been sexually harassed being in his dioceses...it is unthinkable.

If +PHILIP installs this man as a bishop again, I think you are going to see outrage amongst the laity. This could be the straw that breaks the camels back. 
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 09:52:53 AM »

That question has nothing to do with the best course for Bp. Demitri's personal salvation/problems/redemption...whatever.  And it requires no judgment of him personally.  Just the intelligence and honesty to state that piling one controversial issue over another, as bringing a convicted bishop back (when it was made quite clear he could not) into the midst of an ongoing canonical crisis, isn't going to solve either issue, but exaserbate both.
I would have to agree. We have already been jerked around with this auxillary fiasco, and then bring back a bishop that was laisized(sp) for sexual indiscretion, just seems like the last thing the Archdiocese needs right now.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 09:53:42 AM »

If +PHILIP installs this man as a bishop again, I think you are going to see outrage amongst the laity. This could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
I hope you are not right, but I think you are...unfortunately.
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 11:32:04 AM »

. . . and then bring back a bishop that was lai[c]ized for sexual indiscretion . . .

Bishop Demetri was not deposed, but only suspended. It seems, further, that his suspension has been lifted.

As I recall, no canonical court was ever convened to try his case; perhaps it was feared by some that this would inevitably lead to his deposition, which would have been much more difficult to undo than a simple suspension.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 12:06:52 PM »

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"The woman needs to be excommunicated so she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning gossip-monger within her archdiocese".

Only a very spiritually sick man would believe that women, who are concerned about convicted sexual criminals, should be silenced.

Sex offenders must never be placed in positions of authority.

Lord have mercy on OzGeorge.
 

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Does anyone check the criminal history of individuals applying for to be moderators on this forum? 
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"The woman needs to be excommunicated so she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning gossip-monger within her archdiocese".

Only a very spiritually sick man would believe that women, who are concerned about convicted sexual criminals, should be silenced.

Sex offenders must never be placed in positions of authority.

Lord have mercy on OzGeorge.

I entirely agree. 

This really has nothing to do with "judging" the person in question - rather it is not appropriate for someone like that to be in a pastoral role.  The complacency about this by some really betrays quite a bit of misogyny. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 01:13:45 PM »

Could not agree more.  Such a person may well be a Christian, since there is forgiveness.  But a Bishop?  Not as I understand things.  I must agree with Tamara on this one.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 01:30:34 PM »

Where will he serve? Is he an auxillary Bishop.?.he is a registered sex offender.Florida is very strict...
Wht does Bishop Antoun think of this?
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2009, 01:37:25 PM »

Well, Bishop's can't be wed. And given what he was in trouble for I would say the man has a sexual desire he can't control so being celibate is not a good option for him. So he should just find a woman that he can love, and she will love him and get married. That would be my argument for him not coming back as Bishop.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2009, 01:46:33 PM »

or..he could just hide the woman and still be a Bishop..has that ever happened before? We cannot/should not post rumors but wasn't this once an issue in the OCA? I am asking  a question not spreading rumors but I remember being told about this once...I think it was in the Eastern part of the USA.
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2009, 02:00:17 PM »

or..he could just hide the woman and still be a Bishop..has that ever happened before? We cannot/should not post rumors but wasn't this once an issue in the OCA? I am asking  a question not spreading rumors but I remember being told about this once...I think it was in the Eastern part of the USA.
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I think you are refering to Aftimos Ofiesh, the successor to Bp. St. Raphael Hawaweeny.  He married, but that was in the open: he claimed that he was restoring the married episcopate.  The synod disagreed, and deposed him.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2009, 02:01:08 PM »

The man woman needs to be deposed excommunicated so he she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning bishop gossip-monger within our her archdiocese.

According to the Canons of the Orthodox Church, you cannot be punished twice for the same offence..... but look who I'm trying to talk to about the Orthodox Church.
So laity have no right to expect accountability from the clergy? The spin game is to say concerns are judgemental and perhaps more hair trigger than shortcomings that may be expressed in otherwise legitimate concerns.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2009, 02:18:04 PM »

So laity have no right to expect accountability from the clergy? The spin game is to say concerns are judgemental and perhaps more hair trigger than shortcomings that may be expressed in otherwise legitimate concerns.
Exactly. He has no place being a Bishop. Is he holier than I could ever hope to be? Yes. But he shouldn't be a Bishop. Sorry, but I think that I am in the right here.
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"The woman needs to be excommunicated so she can heal, not be brought back as a functioning gossip-monger within her archdiocese".


This really has nothing to do with "judging" the person in question - rather it is not appropriate for someone like that to be in a pastoral role.  The complacency about this by some really betrays quite a bit of misogyny. 
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Immediately after Tamara's post, ozgeorge posted a new topic called "Spreading Lies at the Speed of Light". Clearly he is beyond "a bit of misogyny".   
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2009, 03:20:07 PM »

So when does a "convicted felon" become just an ordinary sinner like the rest of us? The man was drunk, he groped a woman, he was convicted and he paid the penalty. Or has he not paid a "high enough" price for some? You know... I blush to think what others might think of me if my indiscretions and my sins were made public. And I'm just bold enough to suggest that the same could be said for each and every poster on this forum. Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?

The problem here is not with +Demetri, who like all of us is a sinner, and like all of us needs to spend his life in peace (if God grants it) and repentance--I am fond of point out that pride, self-esteem, wrath and sloth surely fetter more souls in Hades than do the sins of the flesh.

The problem is with Metropolitan Philip, who hampered the course laid out for the repentance of bishops who fall into grevious sins, by not setting +Demetri on proper path by deposing him.  The reason the felony conviction and sex offender registry status are relevant is that they create scandal.  And the only reason Tamara is bringing the matter up at all is the pseudonymous prophecies of Abdullah Khouri, all of which have come true except the last, that Metropolitan Philip would try to reinstate +Demetri in active ministry.

We all wish that +Demetri would be left in peace to repent, and that is one reason among many why we wish that he had been deposed, and one reason among many why we do not wish him to be reinstated as an active auxiliary or diocesan bishop.
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2009, 03:32:36 PM »

Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?
You mean behave like Christians?

Sadly, Oz, they re behaving like Christians, based on my experience. Tommorow's Friday...Shabbat Shalom everybody!
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2009, 03:35:20 PM »

Immediately after Tamara's post, ozgeorge posted a new topic called "Spreading Lies at the Speed of Light". Clearly he is beyond "a bit of misogyny".   

No, he didn't.  He did so nearly a full day prior to Tamara's post and I've addressed your false accusation in greater detail there.
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Immediately after Tamara's post, ozgeorge posted a new topic called "Spreading Lies at the Speed of Light". Clearly he is beyond "a bit of misogyny".   

No, he didn't.  He did so nearly a full day prior to Tamara's post and I've addressed your false accusation in greater detail there.

I beg forgiveness.  ozgeorge wrote this topic before he Tamara's post.   
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »

So when does a "convicted felon" become just an ordinary sinner like the rest of us? The man was drunk, he groped a woman, he was convicted and he paid the penalty. Or has he not paid a "high enough" price for some? You know... I blush to think what others might think of me if my indiscretions and my sins were made public. And I'm just bold enough to suggest that the same could be said for each and every poster on this forum. Rather than sit in judgment upon this man, why not humbly pray for him and let him be in peace?

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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2009, 03:56:25 PM »

I'm sorry but who is that Bishop, where is he from and what wrong has he done?
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2009, 04:30:32 PM »

I'm sorry but who is that Bishop, where is he from and what wrong has he done?

It's an American Orthodox custom. 
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2009, 04:34:49 PM »

I'm sorry but who is that Bishop, where is he from and what wrong has he done?

It's an American Orthodox custom. 

I really appreciate your sense of humor and willingness to help but I think It's not the answer I'm looking for Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2009, 07:00:20 PM »

. . . and then bring back a bishop that was lai[c]ized for sexual indiscretion . . .

Bishop Demetri was not deposed, but only suspended. It seems, further, that his suspension has been lifted.

As I recall, no canonical court was ever convened to try his case; perhaps it was feared by some that this would inevitably lead to his deposition, which would have been much more difficult to undo than a simple suspension.

Yes, no spiritual court was convened because he would have been deposed.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2009, 07:16:51 PM »

He is living in some pretty nice digs but it appears to not be connected with a
Church..he probably can't because of the issue of churches having sunday schools
and he cannot live within a certain number of feet from a school or park as a
registered sex offender.
What is he going to do?
I cannot believe Met.Phillip did this with the issues happening in the
Antiochian Archdiocese right now.I cannot feel that this is very arrogant...people are going to be upset. I agree that he needs to repent and I,personally am a worse sinner than anyone but there are legal and logistical issues involved. Florida does not deal kindly with people who do not abide by the restrictions put upon REGISTERED {Emphasis mine} Sexual Offenders.
It is funny how life changes...a couple of years ago I didn;t think the OCA was
going to survive and now look at the Antiochian Archdiocese of America.
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2009, 07:28:17 PM »


Sex offenders must never be placed in positions of authority.


 

Don't worry Ms. Hoorah,

It will take a lot to silence me. And I agree, convicted sex offenders cannot be placed in positions of authority.

Allah Maa'ak (God be with you!), Tamara  Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2009, 07:35:57 PM »

Immediately after Tamara's post, ozgeorge posted a new topic called "Spreading Lies at the Speed of Light". Clearly he is beyond "a bit of misogyny".   

Now what have I told you before on this thread about hysterical dramatics?
See the troubles they get you in?
And the misinformation that is spread as a result?
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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2009, 07:38:20 PM »

Who moderates Christian News?
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I certainly agree that Sexual Offenders and especially REGISTERED Sexual Offenders should not be placed in positions of authority but what if Metropolitan Phillip tries something ?
He appears to be relatively arrogant and not a good listener.
Has Bishop Antoun said something about this.This is in his Diocese..Oops wait! He is an Auxillary Bishop now.he also lives in Englewood,NJ even though he is the Auxillary Bishop of Miami.
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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2009, 07:41:06 PM »

Who moderates Christian News?

Yes. I would like to report a slanderous lie made about me on this thread.
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2009, 07:41:52 PM »

I am sorry..I cannot use the "quote " feature ..too much college....

I certainly agree that Sexual Offenders and especially REGISTERED Sexual Offenders should not be placed in positions of authority but what if Metropolitan Phillip tries something ?
He appears to be relatively arrogant and not a good listener.
Has Bishop Antoun said something about this.This is in his Diocese..Oops wait! He is an Auxillary Bishop now.he also lives in Englewood,NJ even though he is the Auxillary Bishop of Miami.
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