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even though some of us supposed barbarians are actually roum decedents. 

You can't have it both ways. Smiley
Either you are roum, or that term is meaningless.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 09:06:08 PM »

even though some of us supposed barbarians are actually roum decedents. 

You can't have it both ways. Smiley
Either you are roum, or that term is meaningless.

George,

I have a Greek-American friend who jokingly calls me a Byzantine bigot because I love all things Byzantine (chant, church architecture, iconography, mosaics, jewelry work etc.) so I believe in my DNA, roams eastern Roman genes!  Cheesy Wink


ps. wish I could have been there when they found these lovely earrings in Israel in the ruins of Byzantine home.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 09:17:58 PM »

I have a Greek-American friend who jokingly calls me a Byzantine bigot because I love all things Byzantine (chant, church architecture, iconography, etc.) so I believe in my DNA, roams eastern Roman genes! 

I think that's where you are mistaken. "Roum" is not a genetic term. One is not automatically "born" a Roum. One is Baptized a Roum. An apostate from Orthodoxy in Damascus is no longer a Roum.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 11:11:22 PM »

even though some of us supposed barbarians are actually roum decedents. 

You can't have it both ways. Smiley
Either you are roum, or that term is meaningless.

Well, actually you can.  I'm ruumiy when I'm with anyone but the Greeks.  Then I'm not ruumiy (by their definition).
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 12:00:50 AM »

I have a Greek-American friend who jokingly calls me a Byzantine bigot because I love all things Byzantine (chant, church architecture, iconography, etc.) so I believe in my DNA, roams eastern Roman genes! 

I think that's where you are mistaken. "Roum" is not a genetic term. One is not automatically "born" a Roum. One is Baptized a Roum. An apostate from Orthodoxy in Damascus is no longer a Roum.


okay, I was baptized...did I make the cut? Grin

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I have a Greek-American friend who jokingly calls me a Byzantine bigot because I love all things Byzantine (chant, church architecture, iconography, etc.) so I believe in my DNA, roams eastern Roman genes! 

I think that's where you are mistaken. "Roum" is not a genetic term. One is not automatically "born" a Roum. One is Baptized a Roum. An apostate from Orthodoxy in Damascus is no longer a Roum.


okay, I was baptized...did I make the cut? Grin

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 12:14:28 AM »

I have a Greek-American friend who jokingly calls me a Byzantine bigot because I love all things Byzantine (chant, church architecture, iconography, etc.) so I believe in my DNA, roams eastern Roman genes! 

I think that's where you are mistaken. "Roum" is not a genetic term. One is not automatically "born" a Roum. One is Baptized a Roum. An apostate from Orthodoxy in Damascus is no longer a Roum.


okay, I was baptized...did I make the cut? Grin



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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 12:16:36 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 12:25:14 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 12:28:02 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.

Well duh.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 12:30:29 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.

Well duh.


Well then, don't mix your ethnicity/nationalism with your religion.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 12:31:55 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.

Well duh.


Well then, don't mix your ethnicity/nationalism with your religion.

Huh
Roman is not an ethnicity, any more than New Yorker is.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 12:51:00 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.

Well duh.


Well then, don't mix your ethnicity/nationalism with your religion.

Huh
Roman is not an ethnicity, any more than New Yorker is.
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Well then, how do you define it?
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 12:59:44 AM »

The Romanian Church is.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2009, 01:01:24 AM »

LOL. Another difference.  Those Greek ruumiy don't cut; us Arab ruumiy do.  After all, we are Abraham and Ishmael's sons.

See, as long as you keep thinking that being Roum is genetically inherited, you understand neither Christianity nor what being a Roman is.

Christ wasn't a Roman.

Well duh.


Well then, don't mix your ethnicity/nationalism with your religion.

Huh
Roman is not an ethnicity, any more than New Yorker is.
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Yes, we all know that Hellenism transcends nationalism.  The Chief Secretary of the EP told us so:
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To this effect, the active participation of the lay element was, as we have seen, very important. We believe that the younger generations of the omogeneia are free of the past’s prejudices and complexes, according to which, if you wish to succeed in America you have to forget your cultural patrimony and your language in order to be left naked, so to speak, in the thorny desert of the Wild West. Today’s omogeneia has overcome that denial and has come to understand that the secret of the American civilization’s success does not lie in the obliteration of one’s cultural background...Our cultural heritage and our national conscience is not, by any means, an obstacle for our progress and for the successful witness to our faith, especially insofar as ecumenicity (οἰκουμενικότης) is the heart of Hellenism and by definition alien to any form of nationalism or cultural chauvinism...Examining, then, ourselves, I believe that we ought to be more careful towards the easiness with which we are ready to abandon our Hellenism, both as language and as tradition. As we have already said, it is nothing but a myth the opinion that Hellenism is an obstacle to the creative and successful incorporation in the American reality. Hellenism is identified with its ecumenical character and for that reason it can never be nationalistic for both of its manifestations, its culture and its Orthodox faith are concepts that transcend the boundaries of the national....At no point, the spirit of nationalism took hold of the Ecumenical Patriarchate because that is incompatible with the concepts of Hellenism and Ecumenicity (ecumenical character) as well as with the Christian Orthodox faith. The proof of this emerges in the most decisive manner throughout the 17 centuries of its history, during which it never Hellenized, not even attempted to Hellenize the nations to which it gave through its apostolic missions the undying light of Christ....That truth is testified by the fact that, although the Patriarchates of the East were virtually destroyed during the difficult times of the 17th and 18th centuries, nevertheless, the Patriarchate of Constantinople was taking the care to have a Patriarch elected for those Patriarchates, supporting their primates in every possible way....

Blah, blah, blah...

When one speaks Ρωμαίικα, he's not speaking Arabic.  Or Latin.  He's speaking Greek.

Its a ethnicity.  Which is the reason why the Romanians (or maybe that's not a ethiciy either) didn't rush to join Ypsilanti when started the War of Independence for Greece...in Romania.  Why the Greeks fought hard to keep an Arab to regain the throne of Antioch, and won't let one regain Jerusalem's.  In the latter instance, it is particularly egrecious, as the ruum are actually "yuunaan" who just came to carpet bag in the Holy Land.  Why the Phanar suppressed the Patriarchates of the Serbs and of the Bulgarians.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2009, 01:04:54 AM »

Well then, how do you define it?
The way St. Constantine the Great who gave us the title defined it when he granted it to all his Christian subjects.
But I guess if we have to keep the "United American Orthodox Church" happy a la Tamara and ialmisry style- (the Great Defenders of the Orthodox Church on OCnet who valiantly shout down any opposing view to the TruthTM) then the Orthodox Church will have to admit that the title "Roman" was not granted to us, but only to the Roman Catholic Church and your ancestors in the faith were lying phonies to call themselves such.
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2009, 01:11:40 AM »

Well then, how do you define it?
The way St. Constantine the Great who gave us the title defined it when he granted it to all his Christian subjects.
But I guess if we have to keep the "United American Orthodox Church" happy a la Tamara and ialmisry style- (the Great Defenders of the Orthodox Church on OCnet who valiantly shout down any opposing view to the TruthTM) then the Orthodox Church will have to admit that the title "Roman" was not granted to us, but only to the Roman Catholic Church and your ancestors in the faith were lying phonies to call themselves such.

How did St. Constantine define it? I would title the church the Orthodox Church of North America. It would need to be a church for the whole North American continent (Canada, U.S., and Mexico).

Come on George, I don't shout down anyone. I was trying to throw a little levity with a bit of truth in that other thread on "who was here first." Where is your Aussie sense of humor?
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2009, 01:17:53 AM »

How did St. Constantine define it?
See above (that thing you quoted).

I would title the church the Orthodox Church of North America. It would need to be a church for the whole North American continent (Canada, U.S., and Mexico).
That's nice. But what has that got to do with the fact that you and ialmisry hold that the Roman Catholics are the only true heirs and continuation of the Church of the Ecumenical Councils?
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2009, 01:24:45 AM »

How did St. Constantine define it?
See above (that thing you quoted).

How does being a Roman Orthodox Christian make you different than any other type of Orthodox Christian who is not Roman? Does it really make a difference in regard to our salvation?

I would title the church the Orthodox Church of North America. It would need to be a church for the whole North American continent (Canada, U.S., and Mexico).
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How do you figure that last question/statement? Please explain yourself.

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2009, 01:25:40 AM »

Where is your Aussie sense of humor?
It was killed by online American style Orthodoxy which seeks to divide the Church of Christ, publicly insult people's heirarchs, and says (in it's wisdom) that only the Latin Catholics are the true Roman Catholic Church of the Fathers of the Oecumenical Councils.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2009, 01:29:39 AM »

Where is your Aussie sense of humor?
It was killed by online American style Orthodoxy which seeks to divide the Church of Christ, publicly insult people's heirarchs, and says (in it's wisdom) that only the Latin Catholics are the true Roman Catholic Church of the Fathers of the Oecumenical Councils.

Come on George, I am not shouting you down. Explain what you mean. I am willing to hear you out if you speak plainly.
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2009, 01:39:35 AM »

I would title the church the Orthodox Church of North America. It would need to be a church for the whole North American continent (Canada, U.S., and Mexico).
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Guess you should have done some research first, hey?
Who convened the First Oecumenical Council Tamara? Was it St. Constantine the Great who established Constantinople, the New Rome?  Yes, that's right.
And what did he call all the Christian subjects of the Empire? "Romans"- thats right.
And which Empire held all of the Seven Oecumenical Councils? The Roman Empire.
Thus, the Church of the Seven Oecumenical Councils is the Roman Church. That is why you guys called yourself "Rum" and we call ourselves "Romioi" for centuries, even after the fall of New Rome to the Ottomans, and it means the same thing- "Roman", that is, a Faithful member of the Roman Church- not just a citizen of the Roman Empire.
After the Great Schism, Old Rome began to claim that it alone was the true "Roman Church" of the Oecumenical Councils and that we were schismatics. Hence, the entire history of New Rome was completely forgotten, as though all the Oecumenical Councils were held under Old Rome, and thus the Church of Old Rome was the "Roman Catholic Church".
And you agree with this.
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Guess you should have done some research first, hey?
Who convened the First Oecumenical Council Tamara? Was it St. Constantine the Great who established Constantinople, the New Rome?  Yes, that's right.
And what did he call all the Christian subjects of the Empire? "Romans"- thats right.
And which Empire held all of the Seven Oecumenical Councils? The Roman Empire.
Thus, the Church of the Seven Oecumenical Councils is the Roman Church. That is why you guys called yourself "Rum" and we call ourselves "Romioi" for centuries, even after the fall of New Rome to the Ottomans, and it means the same thing- "Roman", that is, a Faithful member of the Roman Church- not just a citizen of the Roman Empire.
After the Great Schism, Old Rome began to claim that it alone was the true "Roman Church" of the Oecumenical Councils and that we were schismatics. Hence, the entire history of New Rome was completely forgotten, as though all the Oecumenical Councils were held under Old Rome, and thus the Church of Old Rome was the "Roman Catholic Church".
And you agree with this.
But a majority of the Orthodox Christians in the world are not Roman they are Russian. So this title wouldn't be a very authentic way of identifying a world Orthodox church. And since the Roman empire no longer exists in either the west or the east it means very little to the average unchurched human being who needs to hear what we have to share with them.
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I would venture the Roman Empire still exists in the form of the Roman Catholic Church, especially in ruthlessness and financial strength. Did not the RCC grow out of what was left of the Pagan Roman Empire?
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2009, 02:42:06 AM »

I would venture the Roman Empire still exists in the form of the Roman Catholic Church, especially in ruthlessness and financial strength. Did not the RCC grow out of what was left of the Pagan Roman Empire?

Didn't the East grow out of that same empire?
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2009, 03:32:37 AM »

But a majority of the Orthodox Christians in the world are not Roman they are Russian.
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So you continue to insist that Roman is an ethnicity (unless you're Roman Catholic).
It's pointless trying to discuss this with you.
Good luck with the "United American Orthodox Non-Roman Church"- I look forward to seeing it's website (vagantes are good at websites).
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2009, 03:53:41 AM »

Believe me, Italians can be very regionalised.  Roman is an ethnicity to us.   laugh   Wink
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2009, 05:47:14 AM »

Where is your Aussie sense of humor?
It was killed by online American style Orthodoxy which seeks to divide the Church of Christ, publicly insult people's heirarchs, and says (in it's wisdom) that only the Latin Catholics are the true Roman Catholic Church of the Fathers of the Oecumenical Councils.

Please don't label all of us online Americans as such.

But a majority of the Orthodox Christians in the world are not Roman they are Russian. So this title wouldn't be a very authentic way of identifying a world Orthodox church. And since the Roman empire no longer exists in either the west or the east it means very little to the average unchurched human being who needs to hear what we have to share with them.

The Holy Roman Church was Catholic Orthodoxy, not Roman Catholicism. In the fifteenth century a patriarch of Constantinople (I'm certain Isa will have me culling my library for exactly which) was bereft of a Royal Protector and upon crowning the Russian Tsar (with his  Metropolitan of Kiev in attendance) declared the Princes of Moscovy and Holy Russia to be the Third Rome. This is the source of the Russian claim to the title (and correctly so) and from that point onward the tsars used the Byzantine Double Eagle standard. This was not wordplay, but a blessing and a recognition of a fact.
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I would title the church the Orthodox Church of North America. It would need to be a church for the whole North American continent (Canada, U.S., and Mexico).
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That's nice. But what has that got to do with the fact that you and ialmisry hold that the Roman Catholics are the only true heirs and continuation of the Church of the Ecumenical Councils?

How do you figure that last question/statement? Please explain yourself.



Guess you should have done some research first, hey?

She's not alone. Roll Eyes

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Who convened the First Oecumenical Council Tamara? Was it St. Constantine the Great who established Constantinople, the New Rome? 

A Proto-Romanian (a Latin speaker from the Balkans).  What about him?

The Armenians were at Nicea, and the Syriacs too.  They weren't Roman, but they remained Christian.  Just ask Salpy.

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Yes, that's right.

OK

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And what did he call all the Christian subjects of the Empire? "Romans"- thats right.

Yes. And the pagan ones, and the Arian ones, and the Jewish and Samarian ones too.

The Emperor Caracalla was the one who made all the subjects of the Empire "Romans," by extending citizenship (Constitutio Antoniniana, it was a tax ploy).  Btw, he was almost all Semite: his paternal grandfather was Punic and Berber, his mother from a dynasty of Arab King-Priests from Syria incorporated into the senatorial class. His paternal grandmother was Italic. The dynasty, btw were the ones who tried to coopt Christmas for their ancestral Sun cult.

The Emperor Theodosios was the one who made Orthodox Christianity the state Creed.  The Jews (and I think the Samaritans) still remained citizen and Romans though.

Btw, the Roman emperor who celebrated the millenium of the city was Philip the Arab, according to the sources the first Christian emperor, but in secret.

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And which Empire held all of the Seven Oecumenical Councils? The Roman Empire.

Not everyone at them were in the Empire.  But they were all Orthodox Christians.

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Thus, the Church of the Seven Oecumenical Councils is the Roman Church. That is why you guys called yourself "Rum" and we call ourselves "Romioi" for centuries, even after the fall of New Rome to the Ottomans, and it means the same thing- "Roman", that is, a Faithful member of the Roman Church- not just a citizen of the Roman Empire.

I thought you were the one who abhorred mixing Church and state.  Autocephaly is an economia, etc.

So is that how this guy got called "Rumi?" (the only Turk worth something).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Rumi-enlarge.jpg


https://www.littletoncoin.com/LCC/html/images/5102-wc.jpg

I guess that's Roman on the coins.  I guess that's how the Ottoman became Keysar-i Rum "Caesar of Rome" in 1453.  Render unto Caesar....

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After the Great Schism, Old Rome began to claim that it alone was the true "Roman Church" of the Oecumenical Councils and that we were schismatics. Hence, the entire history of New Rome was completely forgotten, as though all the Oecumenical Councils were held under Old Rome, and thus the Church of Old Rome was the "Roman Catholic Church".
And you agree with this.

You miss something?

The Romanian Church is.

In the fifteenth century a patriarch of Constantinople (I'm certain Isa will have me culling my library for exactly which
No need.  It was EP Joasaph II.  But it was the sixteenth century.  And the czar was his royal protector.
http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/12898/1/12898.pdf
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Thanks Isa. Working from memory, you know...
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Thanks Isa. Working from memory, you know...

No problem, I had to look it up myself. Tongue
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A Proto-Romanian (a Latin speaker from the Balkans).  What about him?
Uh huh.
So I guess it was the Romanian Empire....
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Nice picture too.
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A Proto-Romanian (a Latin speaker from the Balkans).  What about him?
Uh huh.
So I guess it was the Romanian Empire....

Could be.  In the Latin of the time and area, it was the same word.  As a matter of fact, at the time the word "Romania" had gained currency as the name of the empire.  Emperor Theodosius (a Latin speaker, but being from Spain you would expect that) does refer to his "desire that all the various nations which are subject to our Clemency and Moderation, should continue to profess that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter, as it has been preserved by faithful tradition, and which is now professed by the Pontiff Damasus and by Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic holiness..."  No mention of the bishop of New Rome, to whom the edict was addressed. Oh, well.

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Nice picture too.

Here are nicer ones.  Is that Greek?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/ConstantineCoin.jpg

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/symbols/

http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/symbols/

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Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.
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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2009, 09:37:53 AM »

Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.


I was refering to the language in the inscriptions.  Romane? Latine? Romanesti?
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2009, 09:40:58 AM »

Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.


I was refering to the language in the inscriptions.  Romane? Latine? Romanesti?

Who cares?
Was the Church of the Roman Empire Greek? Seriously: what's your point? I'm curious.
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Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.


Chuckle...it is Latin. Empire did not officially switch to Greek until mid-6th century.
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I see. So, all these pretty pictures and strange messages were to tell me the bleeding obvious were they?
"News Flash- the Roman Empire was not Greek". Well fancy that!  And there I thought Milan was a coastal suburb of Thessaloniki and that "Constance" was a Greek noun.
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Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.


I was refering to the language in the inscriptions.  Romane? Latine? Romanesti?

Who cares?

Quite obviously, you do.

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Was the Church of the Roman Empire Greek?

As Pontiff St. Damasus was Portuguese (or if you prefer, Lusitanian) and Pope Peter II of Alexandria was Coptic, and Theodosius' (himself a Spaniard/Hispanian) decree was in Latin, I guess not.


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Seriously: what's your point? I'm curious.

That ruumiy is an ethnicity.  I though I made that clear.

When one speaks Ρωμαίικα, he's not speaking Arabic.  Or Latin.  He's speaking Greek.

Its a ethnicity.  

I knew I had.

What's your point, George?
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I see. So, all these pretty pictures and strange messages were to tell me the bleeding obvious were they?
"News Flash- the Roman Empire was not Greek". Well fancy that!  And there I thought Milan was a coastal suburb of Thessaloniki and that "Constance" was a Greek noun.
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Naw, they probably call it the "Byzantine Empire."
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2009, 10:05:19 AM »

Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.


I was refering to the language in the inscriptions.  Romane? Latine? Romanesti?

Who cares?

Quite obviously, you do.
No Isa. You think I care. And because of that you make the following blunder:

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Was the Church of the Roman Empire Greek?
As Pontiff St. Damasus was Portuguese (or if you prefer, Lusitanian) and Pope Peter II of Alexandria was Coptic, and Theodosius' (himself a Spaniard/Hispanian) decree was in Latin, I guess not.
I guess you missed this post.
I see. So, all these pretty pictures and strange messages were to tell me the bleeding obvious were they?
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Is that Greek?
Roll Eyes Er, no.  It's Roman.
That's what we're talking about remember? Try and stay focussed.
I was refering to the language in the inscriptions.  Romane? Latine? Romanesti?
Who cares?
Quite obviously, you do.
No Isa. You think I care. And because of that you make the following blunder:

Was the Church of the Roman Empire Greek?
As Pontiff St. Damasus was Portuguese (or if you prefer, Lusitanian) and Pope Peter II of Alexandria was Coptic, and Theodosius' (himself a Spaniard/Hispanian) decree was in Latin, I guess not.
I guess you missed this post.
I see. So, all these pretty pictures and strange messages were to tell me the bleeding obvious were they?
"News Flash- the Roman Empire was not Greek".

Really?  Better tell the Phanar, er, Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi, er, New Rome's, Chief Secretary quoted above.  Somehow he's conneting his See with Hellenism.

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Really?  Better tell the Phanar, er, Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi, er, New Rome's, Chief Secretary quoted above.  Somehow he's conneting his See with Hellenism.

And what should we tell the "Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East"?
http://www.antiochpat.org/english/sitefiles/
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2009, 10:27:40 AM »

Is this where or when we make a thread entitled, "Isa thinks Not Enough Discussions Are Being Derailed by Greek-bashing"?  Wink
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2009, 10:27:55 AM »

Really?  Better tell the Phanar, er, Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi, er, New Rome's, Chief Secretary quoted above.  Somehow he's conneting his See with Hellenism.

And what should we tell the "Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East"?
http://www.antiochpat.org/english/sitefiles/

My point exactly.
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