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Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« on: October 31, 2003, 12:00:11 PM »

The OCA website just put some absolutely beautiful pictures of  Metropolitan Herman receiving the Holy Protection Monastery in Florida into Holy Orthodoxy!


http://www.oca.org/pages/events/2003/10.October/1028MiamiFL-Protection/index.html

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2003, 12:19:33 PM »
pardon my ignorance, but from whence did this monastary come originally?

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2003, 12:22:31 PM »
Was it HOOM?  I don't recall....
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2003, 12:25:42 PM »
hmm I thought it might be Uniate or one of the Vagante groups cause it would have taken quite a while to get all those Icons written.  

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2003, 12:33:44 PM »

The Monastery was part of the Byzantine Catholic Church and under Bishop Pataki.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2003, 12:44:31 PM »
You're absolutely right, Orthodoc!  The pics are absolutely magnificent!  What a great joy for Holy Orthodoxy to receive Holy Protection Monastery and Holy Cross Academy into Holy Orthodoxy in the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church in America from the Unia--from all I could see in the pics, the monastery church was already as Orthodox as could be in its beautiful iconography and appointments.  MANY YEARS to the monks of Holy Protection Monastery and the faculty and students of Holy Cross Academy!  AXIOS to the newly-vested priests and newly-tonsured monks of Holy Protection Monastery!

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2003, 12:58:21 PM »
Indeed Hypo...those of us in the SE now have another monastery to visit.  Glory to God!
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2003, 09:35:49 AM »
I know this thread was posted sometime back (Oct. 31), but I just saw it last night.

I was awestruck by the beauty of the frescoes at Holy Protection Monastery and Holy Cross Academy.

Wow!

They have much of the Gospel right there on their walls!

Breathtaking.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2003, 06:10:00 PM »
While this is indeed wonderful news, I have a more practical question:  What this group in a Byzantine Catholic Jurisdiction (in Communion with Rome) before it was received into Orthodoxy.  If so, how ON EARTH were they able to keep these beautiful buildings? Was there a lawsuit beforehand?  I didn't think the Church of Rome every let is property go (at least not without a fight) regardless of whether its Eastern or Western Rite.  Anybody know anything about this?

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2003, 01:04:48 PM »
The Byzantine Catholic Church, proabley just handed it over to the Monks, because if they kept the property, they would have not use for it,  and it would have costed them more in the end, then just giving it to the Monks.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2003, 01:13:14 PM »
While this is indeed wonderful news, I have a more practical question:  What this group in a Byzantine Catholic Jurisdiction (in Communion with Rome) before it was received into Orthodoxy.  If so, how ON EARTH were they able to keep these beautiful buildings? Was there a lawsuit beforehand?  I didn't think the Church of Rome every let is property go (at least not without a fight) regardless of whether its Eastern or Western Rite.  Anybody know anything about this?


They were never erected according the proper canonical form under Bp Michael Dudick, hence when they left they were able to keep their property because they had never signed it over to the bishop.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2003, 04:21:10 PM »
While this is indeed wonderful news, I have a more practical question:  What this group in a Byzantine Catholic Jurisdiction (in Communion with Rome) before it was received into Orthodoxy.  If so, how ON EARTH were they able to keep these beautiful buildings? Was there a lawsuit beforehand?  I didn't think the Church of Rome every let is property go (at least not without a fight) regardless of whether its Eastern or Western Rite.  Anybody know anything about this?


They were never erected according the proper canonical form under Bp Michael Durichard, hence when they left they were able to keep their property because they had never signed it over to the bishop.

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Durichard?  The Ruthenian bishop under which that monastery was established was MICHAEL Dudick (I was there for many of those events while he was still bishop).

Who is Durichard?
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2003, 04:34:50 PM »
OK.  Someone or something is playing games with my post.  Maybe it is a hacker...that sounds good.  Maybe "they changed the Matrix."  It can be disregarded if correct information is not appreciated.
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2003, 04:51:13 PM »
hhahahahah you know why? because I wrote Dud*i*c*k and our software filters it out hahahahaah  We need to fix that

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2003, 05:27:08 PM »
Good grief!  Let's see if D.u.d.i.c.k works....
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2003, 11:50:12 PM »
Does anyone know why this monastery chose to convert to Orthodoxy?

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 06:56:31 PM »
Dont know why, accept they proabley were having problems with their unia bishop and never believed in the Papal Doctrines any way so just decided to convert to Orthodoxy the fullness of the Faith. That would be my gusse. Why would did they join the OCA, thats what I want to know.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 07:28:19 PM »
I hear there may be more involved than doctrinal issues.

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Dont know why, accept they proabley were having problems with their unia bishop and never believed in the Papal Doctrines any way so just decided to convert to Orthodoxy the fullness of the Faith. That would be my gusse. Why would did they join the OCA, thats what I want to know.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2004, 08:23:52 PM »
Why not join the OCA?
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2004, 09:14:47 PM »
There was a story from pokrov.org posted on E Cafe about it...http://www.pokrov.org/controversial/holyprotection.html

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2004, 12:02:54 PM »
Well this is certainly interesting.  What a blunder!?!  The Catholics have canons that are designed to prevent this from happening.  You can bet that someone has been read the riot act by Rome in the wake of this.

I'm sure that there were more than doctrinal issues involved -- there usually are when this kind of a switch happens.  But still it will be interesting to see what happens down the road.  Some of those monks who have come into Orthodoxy from Catholicism have remained (one prominent Monastery I have in mind is New Skete), while others have at some point found their way back into the Catholic world (like the Holy Resurrection monastery here in DC).  I guess it depends in part on what the real motivation for the change was, on the one hand, and what the real experience is within the Orthodox Church.

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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2004, 01:18:12 PM »
An Eastern Catholic priest (of the Ruthenian Metropolia) once told me that the monks used to be Roman Catholics (i.e., Latin rite)--Franciscans--who adopted with the permission of their superiors the Byzantine rite liturgy to minister to immigrants from Eastern Europe.  I don't know what politics went on but in one of their books (In Search of Happiness) . . .

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316606944/qid=1074791160/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9440110-9645663?v=glance&s=books

. . . Fr. Laurence (their abbot) stated that they tried to change to an Eastern Catholic jurisdiction without success.  Eventually they were accepted into the OCA jurisdiction.  I mentioned them to a Russian Orthodox nun (OCA) who is a prioress of a monastery in Lake George, CO.  The look of disapproval on her face was obvious.  She didn't explain but I surmised that she thought that the New Skete was just too liberal for her.

I read the aforementioned book.  Although they are Orthodox they talked more like Catholics than Orthodox, at least in my perception.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2004, 04:23:35 PM »
Let me ask you guys some thing, I just got sent an "Offical Warning" for asking why this paticular monastery joined the OCA, did any of you find it offensive about me inquirering into why this monastery joined this paticular jurisdiction? Just wondering since I have been sent a bad conduct Private Message by a Moderater here.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2004, 04:32:33 PM »
Well I do keep picking up vibes about the OCA and it's obvious that some people - can't be bothered to read back and see who - are making some sort of veiled comments that I don't get and don't want to because I'm not US.

Since you have asked in public let me ask you whether you had any sinful intent in starting the thread in the way you did? I don't know if you have been PM'd previously, I don't know if you have a history of attacking the OCA.

So I'm not sure you can ask the question you have. It would be like one of my kids coming in and saying that Mum had told them off for just asking for a biscuit. If they had been asking for an hour and been repeatedly told off then that is different to the having politely asked for a biscuit, well away from meal time. etc etc.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2004, 04:34:48 PM »
The monastery that is the subject of this thread isn't New Skete.  The reference to the book refers to New Skete and, yes, they were Byzantine Rits franciscans who were subject to the Roman Ordinary in Albany and apparently couldn't transfer to an Eastern Catholic jurisdiction, so they entered OCA.  They haven't, however, returned.
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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2004, 04:37:12 PM »
Well this is certainly interesting.  What a blunder!?!  The Catholics have canons that are designed to prevent this from happening.  You can bet that someone has been read the riot act by Rome in the wake of this.

I'm sure that there were more than doctrinal issues involved -- there usually are when this kind of a switch happens.  But still it will be interesting to see what happens down the road.  Some of those monks who have come into Orthodoxy from Catholicism have remained (one prominent Monastery I have in mind is New Skete), while others have at some point found their way back into the Catholic world (like the Holy Resurrection monastery here in DC).  I guess it depends in part on what the real motivation for the change was, on the one hand, and what the real experience is within the Orthodox Church.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2004, 04:41:38 PM »
Ah yes, that's right, thanks for the correction! :)
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2004, 05:16:29 PM »
Let me ask you guys some thing, I just got sent an "Offical Warning" for asking why this paticular monastery joined the OCA, did any of you find it offensive about me inquirering into why this monastery joined this paticular jurisdiction? Just wondering since I have been sent a bad conduct Private Message by a Moderater here.

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Strangely enough I regret bringing this up in public - but as you have asked my to refrain from contacting you by PM  - i seem to have no option.

I would suggets that you read my PM again. once more you are raising things on more than one Site.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2004, 05:29:14 PM »
I have been informed by Bobby, who did the warning, that it was the result of the totality of BC's actions on this forum, not due to his one post.  Bobby will take up the issue with BC if he so desires but let's stop discussing it now.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2004, 06:35:14 PM »
I was Asking a Legit Question! I wanted to know why this monastery chose this paticular jurisdiction, I didnt know that was against the rules of the Board.


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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2004, 06:46:01 PM »
They way you asked it was loaded--especially given your previous statements here, on ecafe, and byzcath.org that you think World Orthodoxy is pretty much heretical except the Antiochians--you could have asked, "why did they join the OCA" but you asked instead "why WOULD they join the OCA" which gave most people that read it the reaction that you were amazed by/dissaproved of that decision.

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Re:Pics of Monastery being recv'd int Orthodoxy
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2004, 07:25:15 PM »
Dear Byzantine Christian,

Only the community in question can explain why they made the decisions they have.  If you are truly interested you might consider contacting the monastery directly.
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