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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #90 on: August 27, 2009, 08:26:18 AM »
The tell tale sign on this matter is if ROCOR recognized OCA autocephaly we would be commemorating Met. Jonah at all services.   We don't. 

Not an argument.

Some of our priests are still not commemorating the Russian Patriarch liturgically.  This is being tolerated by both Moscow and New York as a transitional thing.  But I hope you won't argue that this non-commemoration is a telltale sign that we have not yet achived full union with Moscow !! ??   ;D

It would be good if people stopped trying to use ROCOR to prove anything. ROCOR's structure was always 'irregular', ROCOR itself always admitted that. Both the Metropolia and ROCOR were attempts to deal with an unprecedented situation--there are no canons defining how missionary dioceses and bishops-in-exile are supposed to operate when the main body of the Church is held captive by an anti-religious government which not only persecutes but attempts to infiltrate the Church, corrupt its communications, etc, etc. One can criticize many aspects of how one or the other (or both as well as the MP) responded to the situation, but everyone--including the other autocephalous churches recognized that the actions were being taken in an extraordinary context.

The Communists had some 8 decades to disrupt the life of the Church. Since their fall, it took almost a decade-and-a-half for not only the situation in Russia to normalize but for both sides to get past the anger, suspicion, fear, regret, resentment in order to start to normalize their relationship. And as Father points out, even now so the ROCOR still lost some members who couldn't see past the history and the situation is still not completely normalized.

The ROCOR and the OCA are going to take a similar amount of time to heal all the wounds committed over the 80 years. And the two couldn't even really start until the ROCOR and MP had normalized their relationship. Thankfully, all our bishops seem to be approaching this in a pastoral manner. Hopefully, eventually, the bishops will all sit down and work out how to normalize the canonical relationship of the ROCOR and OCA. But it is a lack of charity to assume that it has to happen NOW NOW NOW. Let the healing of the split between ROCOR and the MP have a chance to fully set in, and then the OCA-ROCOR issue can be addressed--yes, it's uncanonical, but that's why we have shepherds and not judges as bishops.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #91 on: August 27, 2009, 10:08:39 AM »
The tell tale sign on this matter is if ROCOR recognized OCA autocephaly we would be commemorating Met. Jonah at all services.   We don't. 

Not an argument.

Some of our priests are still not commemorating the Russian Patriarch liturgically.  This is being tolerated by both Moscow and New York as a transitional thing.  But I hope you won't argue that this non-commemoration is a telltale sign that we have not yet achived full union with Moscow !! ??   ;D

It would be good if people stopped trying to use ROCOR to prove anything. ROCOR's structure was always 'irregular', ROCOR itself always admitted that. Both the Metropolia and ROCOR were attempts to deal with an unprecedented situation--there are no canons defining how missionary dioceses and bishops-in-exile are supposed to operate when the main body of the Church is held captive by an anti-religious government which not only persecutes but attempts to infiltrate the Church, corrupt its communications, etc, etc. One can criticize many aspects of how one or the other (or both as well as the MP) responded to the situation, but everyone--including the other autocephalous churches recognized that the actions were being taken in an extraordinary context.

The Communists had some 8 decades to disrupt the life of the Church. Since their fall, it took almost a decade-and-a-half for not only the situation in Russia to normalize but for both sides to get past the anger, suspicion, fear, regret, resentment in order to start to normalize their relationship. And as Father points out, even now so the ROCOR still lost some members who couldn't see past the history and the situation is still not completely normalized.

The ROCOR and the OCA are going to take a similar amount of time to heal all the wounds committed over the 80 years. And the two couldn't even really start until the ROCOR and MP had normalized their relationship. Thankfully, all our bishops seem to be approaching this in a pastoral manner. Hopefully, eventually, the bishops will all sit down and work out how to normalize the canonical relationship of the ROCOR and OCA. But it is a lack of charity to assume that it has to happen NOW NOW NOW. Let the healing of the split between ROCOR and the MP have a chance to fully set in, and then the OCA-ROCOR issue can be addressed--yes, it's uncanonical, but that's why we have shepherds and not judges as bishops.

What a wonderful post. Thank you!

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2014, 12:37:51 AM »
I guess I can see why the MP would tell ROCOR they don't have to recognize the OCA's autocephaly: since they're not in a position to officially recognize anyone's autocephaly (since they don't commemorate the diptychs of the Church), then their statements of non-recognition mean little since they are members of a Church (the Patriarchate of Moscow and all Russia) which does indeed recognize said autocephaly.
I wonder if the recent letter of ROCOR against, er, to the ACOBNCA changes this, as being discussed in this thread:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,56060.msg1064453.html#msg1064453
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2015, 09:20:19 AM »
OCA Autocephaly is anti-Canonical.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2015, 10:18:04 AM »
OCA Autocephaly is anti-Canonical.

I'm afraid that I am unfamiliar with the canons relating to establishing autocephalous churches... which canons does it violate?


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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2015, 10:45:07 AM »
Shouldn't be a problem ... If you're actually Orthodox  ;)

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2015, 10:52:56 AM »
Autocephaly can only be granted by the Mother Church with the common consent of all the other Autocephalous Churches.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2015, 10:59:07 AM »
Autocephaly can only be granted by the Mother Church with the common consent of all the other Autocephalous Churches.

Who says?

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2015, 11:08:09 AM »
Because the establishment of an Autocephalous Church affects the whole Church, and is not just the internal matter of the Mother Church.

That's just how it is.  Things are done in Orthodox Church according to context and with common consent.

In the context of establishment of an Autocephalous Church, the context is the whole Church (all existing Autocephalous Churches).

If all Autocephalous Churches consent, then the Mother Church can grant Tomos of Autocephaly.  If not it is an empty document.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2015, 11:18:23 AM »
Because the establishment of an Autocephalous Church affects the whole Church, and is not just the internal matter of the Mother Church.

That's just how it is.  Things are done in Orthodox Church according to context and with common consent.

In the context of establishment of an Autocephalous Church, the context is the whole Church (all existing Autocephalous Churches).

If all Autocephalous Churches consent, then the Mother Church can grant Tomos of Autocephaly.  If not it is an empty document.

Really?

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Autocephaly

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2015, 11:22:48 AM »
Autocephaly has to be recognized by the other Churches.  That's just how it is.

As of now, OCA is considered Missionary Dioceses of the Orthodox Church of Russia.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #101 on: April 04, 2015, 11:29:44 AM »
Recognition =/= consent. The other autocephaly Churches recognise a new one after the fact, they don't get a say, much less veto, in advance.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #102 on: April 04, 2015, 11:35:19 AM »
As you can see, OCA is not recognized as Autocephalous by nearly all Orthodox Churches in the world.

The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.

ROCOR is another anomaly.  Its very name bears Canonical transgression.  It doesn't have Canonical Territory and is defined as a Territorially un-Canonical part of the Church of Russia.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #103 on: April 04, 2015, 12:14:03 PM »
As you can see, OCA is not recognized as Autocephalous by nearly all Orthodox Churches in the world.

The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.
Well then Church of Poland and Church of Finland might have a problem too if they didn't get Moscow's permission to exist.

Creation of the GOAA in America was also without Moscow's permission.

OCA is not the only church without such a problem.

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ROCOR is another anomaly.  Its very name bears Canonical transgression.  It doesn't have Canonical Territory and is defined as a Territorially un-Canonical part of the Church of Russia.
No, because churches can exist outside the land of their mother church. The GOAA or Antiochians can be autonomous outside their home countries.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2015, 05:03:14 PM »
As you can see, OCA is not recognized as Autocephalous by nearly all Orthodox Churches in the world.

The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.

ROCOR is another anomaly.  Its very name bears Canonical transgression.  It doesn't have Canonical Territory and is defined as a Territorially un-Canonical part of the Church of Russia.

So?  Our autocephaly may not be recognized by all, yet our Churches are in communion. 
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2015, 05:27:28 PM »
As you can see, OCA is not recognized as Autocephalous by nearly all Orthodox Churches in the world.
It is recognized by a plurality of Churches, with the absolute majority of Orthodox.

The only one who refuses to recognize it directly is the Greek Church, but it unwittingly did so indirectly in its Chambesy scheme.
The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.
A Church can act unilaterally in its own internal affairs. Hence the term "autocephaly."
ROCOR is another anomaly.  Its very name bears Canonical transgression.  It doesn't have Canonical Territory and is defined as a Territorially un-Canonical part of the Church of Russia.
not territorially un-canonical in all parts-for instance, it might be the canonical Church of Australia.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #106 on: April 04, 2015, 05:43:01 PM »
Autocephaly has to be recognized by the other Churches.  That's just how it is.
That's twice now that you've said that. There's no such thing as "that's just how it is." There has to be something specific in our tradition (for instance, a canon) that mandates that autocephaly has to be recognized by the other churches. Can you point us to that specific canon or precedent?

As of now, OCA is considered Missionary Dioceses of the Orthodox Church of Russia.
By whom?
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #107 on: April 04, 2015, 06:19:26 PM »
That's the thing dear brothers.  Autocephaly is not one Church's internal affair.  It is an affair of the whole Church.

Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America isn't an Autocephalous Church.  It is an Eparchy.

The Autocephalous Orthodox churches that recognize the OCA as Autocephalous are the Church of Russia, which granted the Tomos of Autocephaly, the Church of Georgia, the Church of Bulgaria, the Church of Poland and the Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia.

The rest do not recognize OCA as an Autocephalous Church, but treat OCA as a part of the Church of Russia (as Missionary Dioceses or Eparchy).

It might take time, but if in the future all other Orthodox Churches come to recognize the Autocephaly, then OCA will become an Autocephalous Church.  But not until then.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #108 on: April 04, 2015, 06:39:18 PM »
That's the thing dear brothers.  Autocephaly is not one Church's internal affair.  It is an affair of the whole Church.

Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America isn't an Autocephalous Church.  It is an Eparchy.

The Autocephalous Orthodox churches that recognize the OCA as Autocephalous are the Church of Russia, which granted the Tomos of Autocephaly, the Church of Georgia, the Church of Bulgaria, the Church of Poland and the Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia.

The rest do not recognize OCA as an Autocephalous Church, but treat OCA as a part of the Church of Russia (as Missionary Dioceses or Eparchy).

It might take time, but if in the future all other Orthodox Churches come to recognize the Autocephaly, then OCA will become an Autocephalous Church.  But not until then.

Again:

So?  Our autocephaly may not be recognized by all, yet our Churches are in communion. 
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #109 on: April 04, 2015, 07:22:42 PM »
Of course we are in Communion.  That doesn't take Autocephaly.

Back to ROCOR:  It is declared Autonomous and thus a Church.  But it has no Canonical Territory and its very name signifies exile.  But it is no longer in exile.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #110 on: April 04, 2015, 07:27:15 PM »
Of course we are in Communion.  That doesn't take Autocephaly.


OCA is autocephalous whether it is or isn't recognized.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #111 on: April 04, 2015, 07:30:49 PM »
The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.

Like when grand pontiff--err, I mean His Holiness the Ecumenical Patriarch declared universal jurisdiction over America and thus interfered in Russia's affairs despite the canons?
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #112 on: April 04, 2015, 07:37:05 PM »
That's just how it is.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #113 on: April 04, 2015, 08:33:02 PM »
Autocephaly has to be recognized by the other Churches.  That's just how it is.

As of now, OCA is considered Missionary Dioceses of the Orthodox Church of Russia.

Since you decided to ignore the question on cannonicity already having been
asked by another user, I can only conclude that the canonical grounds for OCA's
"uncanonicity" is post #100 on the thread What's up with some in ROCOR over
OCA on orthodoxcristianitydotnet board by someone nicknamed Kyrillios Anthonios.

I don't think that's the way Orthodox Church works. If we are about canonicity,
we should have some canons.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #114 on: April 04, 2015, 08:37:01 PM »




ROCOR is another anomaly.  Its very name bears Canonical transgression.  It doesn't have Canonical Territory and is defined as a Territorially un-Canonical part of the Church of Russia.

That would be the canon of the post #102 on some thread on orthodoxchristianity net board?
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #115 on: April 04, 2015, 08:54:01 PM »
The principle is Synodality.  No one Church can act unilaterally without consent of involved Churches or Synods.

Like when grand pontiff--err, I mean His Holiness the Ecumenical Patriarch declared universal jurisdiction over America and thus interfered in Russia's affairs despite the canons?

Spoken like a true Neugriechenlander (I am guessing the spelling of this).

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #116 on: April 04, 2015, 10:41:39 PM »
A Bishop has no power to ordain another Bishop.  It is the Synod that ordains in the persons of the Primate and at least two other Bishops.

An Autocephalous Church has no power to grant Autocephaly.  It is the whole Church that must consent for an Autocephalous Church to grant Autocephaly.

If it is done anyway without consent, it won't be recognized and won't be Autocephalous until it becomes recognized unanimously.

It's called Synodality.  The Church walks together and does all things together because she is Mysteriologically and thus Ontologically one.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #117 on: April 04, 2015, 11:03:05 PM »
A Bishop has no power to ordain another Bishop.  It is the Synod that ordains in the persons of the Primate and at least two other Bishops.

An Autocephalous Church has no power to grant Autocephaly.  It is the whole Church that must consent for an Autocephalous Church to grant Autocephaly.

If it is done anyway without consent, it won't be recognized and won't be Autocephalous until it becomes recognized unanimously.

It's called Synodality.  The Church walks together and does all things together because she is Mysteriologically and thus Ontologically one.

You use big words that sound so Orthodoxy, and then you say something like:

That's just how it is.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #118 on: April 05, 2015, 12:09:12 AM »
For example, Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow, commenting on Georgia Autocephaly, said that it must be agreed upon by the whole Church.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #119 on: April 05, 2015, 12:23:45 AM »
For example, Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow, commenting on Georgia Autocephaly, said that it must be agreed upon by the whole Church.
I have to point out that the Georgian Orthodox Church does not affirm your statement.  It was the Russian Orthodox Church that took away the autocephaly of the Georgian Orthodox Church when Russia annexed Georgia.  Also the Russian Orthodox Church made the Georgian Orthodox Church use Church Slavonic.  Not a good way to treat fellow Christians.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #120 on: April 05, 2015, 12:30:35 AM »
I agree.  I was quoting Patriarch Tikhon who indeed expressed the Canonical practice, regardless of how it was actually intended and what Russia later did to Georgia.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #121 on: April 05, 2015, 12:37:20 AM »
That's just how it is.
You say that one more time, and I will have to go postal on you. ;)
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #122 on: April 05, 2015, 12:38:00 AM »
A Bishop has no power to ordain another Bishop.  It is the Synod that ordains in the persons of the Primate and at least two other Bishops.

An Autocephalous Church has no power to grant Autocephaly.  It is the whole Church that must consent for an Autocephalous Church to grant Autocephaly.

If it is done anyway without consent, it won't be recognized and won't be Autocephalous until it becomes recognized unanimously.

It's called Synodality.  The Church walks together and does all things together because she is Mysteriologically and thus Ontologically one.
You still haven't answered my question. On what canonical precedent are you basing all these claims?
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #123 on: April 05, 2015, 12:38:59 AM »
I agree.  I was quoting Patriarch Tikhon who indeed expressed the Canonical practice, regardless of how it was actually intended and what Russia later did to Georgia.
A canonical practice has canons. Do you?
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #124 on: April 05, 2015, 12:52:34 AM »
For example, Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow, commenting on Georgia Autocephaly, said that it must be agreed upon by the whole Church.
I have to point out that the Georgian Orthodox Church does not affirm your statement.  It was the Russian Orthodox Church that took away the autocephaly of the Georgian Orthodox Church when Russia annexed Georgia.  Also the Russian Orthodox Church made the Georgian Orthodox Church use Church Slavonic.  Not a good way to treat fellow Christians.

Not to mention the Greeks made the Russians use three fingers among other things during the Nikonian reforms, most of which were small-T traditions that didn't really matter.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #125 on: April 05, 2015, 12:55:33 AM »
It isn't specific Canon articles, but Canon principle that has always been observed.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #126 on: April 05, 2015, 01:03:38 AM »
For example, Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow, commenting on Georgia Autocephaly, said that it must be agreed upon by the whole Church.
I have to point out that the Georgian Orthodox Church does not affirm your statement.  It was the Russian Orthodox Church that took away the autocephaly of the Georgian Orthodox Church when Russia annexed Georgia.  Also the Russian Orthodox Church made the Georgian Orthodox Church use Church Slavonic.  Not a good way to treat fellow Christians.

The time when cannons mattered more than canons.

Another way of putting this is that too often in the past, he who has the cannons gets to write the canons.  :P
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #127 on: April 05, 2015, 01:31:06 AM »
Nobody wrote any Canon in Georgia.  Russia transgressed against Church Canon.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2015, 02:15:42 AM »
It isn't specific Canon articles, but Canon principle that has always been observed.
What canonical principle?

Nobody wrote any Canon in Georgia.  Russia transgressed against Church Canon.
What church canon?

You're not helping matters by remaining so nebulous in your assertions.
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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #129 on: April 05, 2015, 10:14:58 AM »
Synodality.  Autocephaly can only be granted by common consent of the whole Church.

Autocephaly.  The Church of Georgia was an Autocephalous Church when Moscow annexed it.

Canon VIII of the Third Ecumenical Synod
"...The same rule shall hold good also with regard to other Diocese and Churches everywhere, so that none of the Bishops Most-Beloved by God shall take hold of any other province that was not formerly and from the beginning in his Jurisdiction, or was not, that is to say, held by his predecessors.  But if anyone has taken possession of any and has forcibly subjected it to his authority, he shall re-give it back to its rightful possessors, in order that the Canons of the Fathers be not transgressed, nor the secular fastus be introduced, under the pretext of Divine Services”

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #130 on: April 05, 2015, 10:55:30 AM »
Synodality.  Autocephaly can only be granted by common consent of the whole Church.

Autocephaly.  The Church of Georgia was an Autocephalous Church when Moscow annexed it.

Canon VIII of the Third Ecumenical Synod
"...The same rule shall hold good also with regard to other Diocese and Churches everywhere, so that none of the Bishops Most-Beloved by God shall take hold of any other province that was not formerly and from the beginning in his Jurisdiction, or was not, that is to say, held by his predecessors.  But if anyone has taken possession of any and has forcibly subjected it to his authority, he shall re-give it back to its rightful possessors, in order that the Canons of the Fathers be not transgressed, nor the secular fastus be introduced, under the pretext of Divine Services”
I agree that this is the right way and should be followed.  It is the goal the Orthodox world should work towards.  The historical anomalies or past mistakes should not be used as excuses NOT to follow the canon you cited.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #131 on: April 05, 2015, 06:19:07 PM »
The Lord will keep His Church.

Amnexation of an Autocephalous Church is really Papal ambition.  It reminds me of Papal annexation of the Church of Britain in the 11th century.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #132 on: April 05, 2015, 06:33:27 PM »
The Lord will keep His Church.

Amnexation of an Autocephalous Church is really Papal ambition.  It reminds me of Papal annexation of the Church of Britain in the 11th century.
Sorry, I don't know anything about this topic.  Can you tell us more please?  For example, did it happen before the schism in 1054?  Thanks.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #133 on: April 05, 2015, 07:24:37 PM »
Shortly after Schism, the then recently-established Papacy gave religious support to William of Normandy to invade and subjugate Britain.  The Church of Britain was then annexed and subjugated to the Papacy.

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Re: What's up with some in ROCOR over the OCA?
« Reply #134 on: April 05, 2015, 08:00:51 PM »
Shortly after Schism, the then recently-established Papacy gave religious support to William of Normandy to invade and subjugate Britain.  The Church of Britain was then annexed and subjugated to the Papacy.

Serves them right. The British had it coming.

But getting back on topic, how is this relevant? We are talking about the Orthodox Church and her canons, jurisdictions, and the like; not Rome. In fact, most Orthodox people will already tell you how within Roman ecclesiology there is only one grand Bishop and everyone else is merely his priests.
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