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Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« on: February 18, 2014, 03:53:01 PM »
Dawkins tweets: "If we ever talk to aliens, their civilisation will be far more advanced than ours (because of distances involved). They won't be religious!"

Stick to science, dude.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 04:29:35 PM »
Dawkins tweets: "If we ever talk to aliens, their civilisation will be far more advanced than ours (because of distances involved). They won't be religious!"

Stick to science, dude.

Jetavan, you know I meant it as a compliment when I referred to you as my organic RSS aggregator or whatever I called you?

My favorites are when you append them to threads last bumped three years prior.

I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 04:39:39 PM »
I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.

I thought he died too.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 05:02:08 PM »
Dawkins tweets: "If we ever talk to aliens, their civilisation will be far more advanced than ours (because of distances involved). They won't be religious!"

Stick to science, dude.

Jetavan, you know I meant it as a compliment when I referred to you as my organic RSS aggregator or whatever I called you?
I'm actually silicon-based.

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My favorites are when you append them to threads last bumped three years prior.

I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.
Dawkins reminds of T. H. Huxley, Darwin's 'bulldog'. If things continue as they are, Dawkin's grandson will write a book on mysticism and the perennial philosophy.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 07:59:52 PM »
The fact that his message has so many retweets and favorites testifies to the rapid intellectual decay of western society.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 08:01:55 PM »
Who knows? The aliens would have their own religion, and it would be a task, albeit a worthy one, to try to introduce them to our religion. Although we would have to adapt some of the theology (expand the impact of salvation from humans to sentient humanoids), an Eighth Ecumenical Council would be very helpful in that regard.

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 08:31:05 PM »
Who knows? The aliens would have their own religion, and it would be a task, albeit a worthy one, to try to introduce them to our religion. Although we would have to adapt some of the theology (expand the impact of salvation from humans to sentient humanoids), an Eighth Ecumenical Council would be very helpful in that regard.
Jesus did say to preach the gospel to every creature (or all creation) (Mk 16:15); so if these aliens are "creatures" or created by God, then they're already covered.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 09:38:40 PM »
Dawkins was among the first people I followed on Twitter.

He was the first that I unfollowed.

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 01:37:18 PM »
Walker Percy's Lost in the Cosmos provides much more interesting speculation about what encountering a more advanced alien civilization might be like.

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 03:35:48 PM »
Who knows? The aliens would have their own religion, and it would be a task, albeit a worthy one, to try to introduce them to our religion. Although we would have to adapt some of the theology (expand the impact of salvation from humans to sentient humanoids), an Eighth Ecumenical Council would be very helpful in that regard.
ON the other hand, angels are rational creatures, and there is a section of the anaphora of St. Basil's Liturgy is "and all creatures of reason and intelligence worship thee." If aliens are rational creatures, then they could be saved if they come to the knowledge of the truth, just like humans. The question would be how to approach them and translate theology into their language and concepts.

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 03:53:46 PM »
I wonder what we would do if we encountered a race like the Tamarians from Star Trek.
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2014, 04:42:13 PM »
I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.

I thought he died too.

You are possibly thinking of Christopher Hitchens?
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2014, 04:51:35 PM »
I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.

I thought he died too.

You are possibly thinking of Christopher Hitchens?

Perhaps.  I confuse well-known beardless white British men all the time. 
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 04:58:32 PM »
I am not kidding when I say I thought Dawkins was dead. I think his tweet served its purpose.

I thought he died too.

You are possibly thinking of Christopher Hitchens?

Perhaps.  I confuse well-known beardless white British men all the time. 

I know. They all look the same to me. ;)
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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2014, 09:15:24 PM »
Can we perhaps expect Professor Dawkins to start appearing on Ancient Aliens?

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2014, 09:30:05 PM »
Considering that religion is probably genetically wired into the conscience of intelligent life forms, he's probably wrong.  Then again, the only sentient being we know of is us (though chimpanzees have exhibited what might be a primitive form of spirituality).

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 05:05:52 PM »
How do chimpanzees express spirituality? IS SACRILEGE!

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Re: Richard Dawkins on alien religion
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 05:22:45 PM »
How do chimpanzees express spirituality? IS SACRILEGE!

http://www.janegoodall.org/chimp-central-waterfall-displays

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In my time at Gombe I witnessed an average of 2 to 3 waterfall displays and rain dances per year. They ranged from single individual solitary events to a single individual participant within a social group, to multiple participant events. The displays I witnessed were performed by males of all age groups. Rarely have I seen adolescents or infants displaying in and around adult males, but it does occasionally happen. The displays are prolonged, lasting as long as 5 minutes, sometimes more. Aggression is occasionally an element of the display, but usually the event continues long after the subordinates have moved away. My feeling is that dominance plays a secondary role (if any) in most of this type of display. Rain dances are performed more often toward the beginning of the rainy season. I do not have a sense of seasonality in relation to waterfall displays.

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I have discussed these displays at length with Dr. Goodall over the years. One of the most interesting and scrutinized events I recorded on video was a waterfall display performed by the alpha at the time, Freud. Freud began his display with typical rhythmic and deliberate swaying and swinging on vines. For minutes he swung over and across the 8-foot to 12-foot falls. At one point, Freud stood at the top of the falls dipping his hand into the stream and rolling rocks one at a time down the face of the waterfall. Finally, he displayed (slowly, on vines) down the falls and settled on a rock about 30 feet downstream. He relaxed, then turned to the falls and stared at it for many minutes. It was one of those times that I would give body parts to know what was going through a chimp's mind. Dr. Goodall and I have seen several events in which the participants seemed to ponder or consider the natural event to which they were reacting.

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Chimps appear to ritualistically 'dance' in the face of  forest blazes indicating they are able to understand and even control fire, say researchers.
 
Scientists believe this observation could shed light on a key moment in man's evolution in that it shows when our ancestors first controlled fire.
 
The study found that instead of running away from a blaze, the chimps watched it very carefully and showed no signs of fear. The alpha male was even observed making a display or dance while looking at the flames.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1243693/Fire-dancing-chimps-shed-light-mans-evolution.html#ixzz2tzmZlyTX
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