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« on: April 27, 2009, 10:39:26 AM »

Is this a common Catholic devotion? The quasi-Nestorian tendencies don't seem to end. Or is this more of a Santerian expression?



The Prayer associated with it is bizarre/extremely problematic as well:

"O Powerful Hand of God! I place my Christian soul before you, and in my despair and anguish, beseech you to aid me with your almighty power. At your feet I place the devotion of my sorrowful heart that I might be delivered from my suffering. May the loving kindness of your power help me and give me strength and wisdom to live in peace and happiness. (Here present your petitions). Amen."
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 10:51:26 AM »

Is this a common Catholic devotion? The quasi-Nestorian tendencies don't seem to end. Or is this more of a Santerian expression?



The Prayer associated with it is bizarre/extremely problematic as well:

"O Powerful Hand of God! I place my Christian soul before you, and in my despair and anguish, beseech you to aid me with your almighty power. At your feet I place the devotion of my sorrowful heart that I might be delivered from my suffering. May the loving kindness of your power help me and give me strength and wisdom to live in peace and happiness. (Here present your petitions). Amen."
The hand of God is not really a hand as God is spirit. It is a representation of his strength as his arm is in the bible. Since God is simple (al is one in God) his strength is nothing other than himself. Thus is truely just a dovtion to the all powerful God himself.
I have no idea how you can associate this Nestorianism.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 10:54:59 AM »

It just seems that there is no good reason to pray/petition the "hand of God". Why do it? The quasi-Nestorianism that I stated above, is in regards to splitting up the body, from the divinity, which I see in small parts with the Sacred Heart devotion as well. Although, I have much less of an issue with the Sacred Heart, as I do with the Holy Hand devotion.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 10:57:22 AM »

It just seems that there is no good reason to pray/petition the "hand of God". Why do it? The quasi-Nestorianism that I stated above, is in regards to splitting up the body, from the divinity, which I see in small parts with the Sacred Heart devotion as well. Although, I have much less of an issue with the Sacred Heart, as I do with the Holy Hand devotion.
1. Its not separating God in this way as its not refering to Christ's human hand but to God's all powerful strenth which is himself/his nature.
2. The Sacred Heart Devotion does not separate Christ's humanity from his divinity. If anything, it demonstrates that the two natures are united in on person so much so that the Humanity of Christ is worthy of worship by the very fact that it one of the natures of of the one divine person who is God.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 11:00:05 AM »

1. Its not separating God in this way as its not refering to Christ's human hand but to God's all powerful strenth which is himself/his nature.
I don't have much of a problem with the Sacred Heart devotion, but the Holy Hand....I'm not so sure. Why a particular devotion then?
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 11:04:28 AM »

1. Its not separating God in this way as its not refering to Christ's human hand but to God's all powerful strenth which is himself/his nature.
I don't have much of a problem with the Sacred Heart devotion, but the Holy Hand....I'm not so sure. Why a particular devotion then?
Again, I would like to point out that this is not a devotion to God's human hand as I understand it but to God's "spiritual hand" so to speak. As God has no hand because he is spirit this really just a devotion to his strength which is none other than himself. I don't know why the devotion started, where it started, or when it started, but is certainly not a poplular devotino and certainly not one that Catholics are required to participate in.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 12:25:47 PM »

Coincidentally, I just ran across this in the Summa. Its not really addressing the All Powerful Hand of God devotion but the propriety of worshiping Christ's humanity. However, it is somewhat analogous.

"I answer that, we may consider two things in a person to whom honor is given: the person himself, and the cause of his being honored. Now properly speaking honor is given to a subsitent thing in its entirely: for we do not speak of honoring a man's hand but the man himself. Adn if at any time it happen that we speak of honoring a man's hand or foot, it is not by reason of these memebers being honored of themselves: but by reason of the whole being honored in thme. In this way a man may be honored evin in something external; for instance his vesture, his image, or his messanger.
The causse of honor is that by reason of which the person honored has a certain excellence: for honor is reverence given to something on account of its excellence, astated in the Second Part [of the summa]. If therefore in one man there are several causes of honor, for instance, rank, knowledge, and virture, the honor given to him will be one in one respect of the person honored, but several in respect of the causes of honor; for it is the man that is honored, both on account of knowledge and by reason oof his virtue.
Since, therefore, in Christ there is but one Person of Divine and Human natures, and one hypostatis, and one suppositum, He is given one adoration and one honor on the part of the Person adored." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae

I would say that in an analogous way we can apply this to the All Powerful Hand of God devotion. The hand of God, which is not really a physical hand, is a sign of power and his power is one of the many reasons we adore him. However, the adoration is for the Person who is God. In Thomas' arguement we see that the honor given an aspect of a person is given for the ultimate purpose of honoring the actual person.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 12:29:30 PM »

BTW, the fact that I found this in Aquinas unintentionally comfirms what me and my sister (who is working on her masters degree in theology) have always said: "St. Thomas Aquinas EEEEVEEEERYYYYY thing!!!"  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 12:33:14 PM »

BTW, the fact that I found this in Aquinas unintentionally comfirms what me and my sister (who is working on her masters degree in theology) have always said: "St. Thomas Aquinas EEEEVEEEERYYYYY thing!!!"  Grin
Yeah, that is kind of ridiculous. Ha.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 12:36:02 PM »

BTW, the fact that I found this in Aquinas unintentionally comfirms what me and my sister (who is working on her masters degree in theology) have always said: "St. Thomas Aquinas EEEEVEEEERYYYYY thing!!!"  Grin
Yeah, that is kind of ridiculous. Ha.
Haha. Hyperbole is the medium in which I work.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 12:40:52 PM »

Haha. Hyperbole is the medium in which I work.  Smiley
That kind of sounds like an extreme exageration.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 12:42:39 PM »

Haha. Hyperbole is the medium in which I work.  Smiley
That kind of sounds like an extreme exageration.
Its just a joke. nothing more.  Undecided
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 12:43:48 PM »

Its just a joke. nothing more.  Undecided
Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaha! I like you a lot Papist, I really do! Grin Kiss
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 12:45:35 PM »

Its just a joke. nothing more.  Undecided
Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaha! I like you a lot Papist, I really do! Grin Kiss
Good. I was going to  Cry. Hehe.
Hey, where did you come across this all powerful hand devotion? I am interested to look into its history and orignins. thanks for brinking up this topic.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 12:49:25 PM »

Hey, where did you come across this all powerful hand devotion? I am interested to look into its history and orignins. thanks for brinking up this topic.
I saw it on a prayer card in a Catholic bookstore, and was perplexed. I found it online here:
http://www.luckymojo.com/manopoderosa.html
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2009, 12:51:24 PM »

Hey, where did you come across this all powerful hand devotion? I am interested to look into its history and orignins. thanks for brinking up this topic.
I saw it on a prayer card in a Catholic bookstore, and was perplexed. I found it online here:
http://www.luckymojo.com/manopoderosa.html
I can't open the link. My school computer blocked it as a porn site. LOL
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2009, 12:53:44 PM »

I can't open the link. My school computer blocked it as a porn site. LOL
Funny. It isn't porn, by the way!
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2009, 12:56:06 PM »

I can't open the link. My school computer blocked it as a porn site. LOL
Funny. It isn't porn, by the way!
Haha. I know. I think our web filter saw the word "mojo" and associatedit with porn. LOL
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2009, 01:20:18 PM »

Step aside from this "devotions" PoorFoolNicholas you are departing from the truth of God , forget the devotions , they are not good .
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2009, 02:44:36 PM »

I don't think devotion to La Mano Poderosa is very widespread.  It may even be limited mostly to Mexico.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2009, 03:22:23 PM »

I don't think devotion to La Mano Poderosa is very widespread.  It may even be limited mostly to Mexico.
Now you that you have written the name in spanish I think I do remembering seeing it on candles in grocery stores here in New Mexico. I think Latin American Catholicism is very unique in that in many places it has become "folk Catholicism" which incoporates many many many folk devotions and traditions, some that may not be sanctioned by the Church.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2009, 04:35:26 PM »

Could this be some sort of christianized version of the Jewish Hamsa hand talisman?  Huh
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2009, 05:24:02 PM »

Step aside from this "devotions" PoorFoolNicholas you are departing from the truth of God , forget the devotions , they are not good .
Perhaps you should have read the original question that I posted. I will NEVER participate in this devotion, EVER.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2009, 06:02:01 PM »

Hmm, I have never heard of this vocation before. And it isn't in my handy-dandy How-To Book of Catholic Devotions.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2009, 06:03:18 PM »

Hmm, I have never heard of this vocation before. And it isn't in my handy-dandy How-To Book of Catholic Devotions.
I was thinking it was a Santeria thing, but I don't know.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2009, 07:17:41 PM »

It's not Santeria. I think it mostly has to do with Mexican folk religion, and you'll see it on retablos (in the old days) and on modern day candles as noted by Papist.  I do think it is approved, unlike Santa Muerte which is not.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2009, 01:18:50 AM »

I think that Santa Muerte is a satanic cult.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2009, 01:31:58 AM »

I think that Santa Muerte is a satanic cult.



St. Death?  Interesting.  It sort of reminds me of Kali.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2009, 01:35:41 AM »

I think that Santa Muerte is a satanic cult.



St. Death?  Interesting.  It sort of reminds me of Kali.
Its disgusting. May God destroy this evil cult!!! Prisoners and criminals are very fond of this cult because of its lack of moral demands.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2009, 01:46:10 AM »



This is Kali, similarly adorned in flowers.  She is the Hindu goddess of death and destruction.  Although the theological ideas surrounding her are actually quite complex, and worth reading at least for understanding.
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Let's try and stay on topic.   Smiley

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2009, 05:25:56 AM »

I suppose they're legal as long as they obey the no-harm principle (i.e. not ripping hearts out of people's chests with their bare hands  Wink ).

As for the Powerful Hand devotion, I doubt I'd ever try it. I think there are enough private devotions as it is. I can't think of a better devotion than to pray the Divine Office.
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2009, 09:54:15 AM »

I was finally able to see the picture on the forum online last night and I see that it is clearly the hand of Christ. I suppose that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the the Powerful hand devotion because of the arguement given by St. Thomas above. However, I am not sure why some one would want to participate in this devotion over the Liturgy of the Hours, the Rosary, the Chaplet of divine Mercy, Eucharistic Adoration, or traditional Novenas.
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